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hi charlie, i got your e-mail dated 8-16th. i still am having trouble on my web tv. i have tried to log in, but get a message that says, you need an upgrade browser. what is a browser? i also have a laptop which i hate and don't use. i saw your e-mail on this address. i will call you onthe phone as to how to get back on dbssurgery groups. sincerely, charlene lustig bsFrom: "Black Charles" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:52 AM Subject: Re: Faux News > My suggeestion is to listen and read as much as you can from all sides. > With all the rhetoric flying around, thats hard to do. > > Some observaations: > 1.We are headed for bankrupcy, high inflation will be the first indicator. > 2. The Federal government has NO demostrated expertise in running big > programs. See the post offiice, VEterans health care and MEdicare as > examples. > 3. the CBO estimates that by 2015 (I think) the INTEREST ONLY on our debt > will be 306 BILLION per year. > > Ray; > > the Constitution is a great document to be sure. I think though that the > courts and the Congress have trampled states rights and the limitations > designed into it. One only needs to read the writings of our founding > fathers to become aware of that! > > Charlie > > --- On Wed, 9/2/09, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Faux News >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 2:20 AM >> Tess >> >> my big argument with Glenn Beck of Faux News is that >> he calls progressives socialists, communists, Marxists, etc >> and condemns the movement in the early 20th century >> that brought us the initiative, referendum and recall on the >> state level, and on the national level the direct election >> of senators, the vote for women, the FDA, etc. >> >> No one is calling him on his big distortion of the facts. >> >> Apparently lies work as people believe him. At a Tea >> Party Rally today I saw a "Glenn Beck for President" sign. >> >> Ray >> >> Rayilyn Brown >> Director AZNPF >> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >> [log in to unmask] >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "tess owens" <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:46 AM >> To: <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Re: Healthcare throughout the world >> >> > Thank you Ray! How refreshing, an informative and >> useful article that >> > addresses the health care issue, without the slanted >> and derogatory right wing >> > hype. >> > My family appreciates your input on the list and how >> you advocate for change! >> > >> > >> > Big Thanks! >> > hugs to you and Spike >> > Tess >> > ps >> > regarding: >> > "PT Barnum Was Right" >> > News Hounds >> > We watch FOX so you don't have to. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Fox News Proves That PT Barnum Was Right! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > There is an old adage, attributed to PT Barnum, that >> "there's a sucker born every minute." History informs >> > us that it was spoken in connection with Barnum's >> Cardiff Giant hoax. >> > It seems that Fox News is a good example of Barnum's >> wisdom as there >> > was one such sucker born recently. >> > >> > >> > >> > Earlier this week, I reported on >> > Tennessee Democrat, Fred Hobbs, who suspected that >> Barack Obama was >> > connected to terrorism because he heard it on Fox >> News. Well, it seems >> > that in a letter of apology, to the Tennessee >> Democratic Executive Committee, Mr. Hobbs realizes that he >> got schnookered: >> > >> > >> > "I was not as well prepared as I should have been when >> speaking with reporters, >> > >> > and I should have taken more time to research Senator >> Obama's positions. My >> > comments did reflect questions I had after what I had >> seen reported on >> > Fox News, but I should have taken some time to check >> the accuracy of >> > what I saw on television before speaking publicly. My >> statement that Senator Obama "may be terrorist-connected" >> was incorrect, and I apologize for making it." >> > >> > >> > Too bad other Fox viewers aren't checking for >> accuracy; because, if >> > they did, they would discover that they, too, are >> being punked by a >> > bunch of carnival barkers and clowns who, literally >> speaking, represent >> > the greatest "show" (hoax) on earth. >> > >> > >> > Tip of the hat to Think Progress >> > >> > ;) >> > >> > >> >> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:11:54 -0400 >> >> From: [log in to unmask] >> >> Subject: Re: Healthcare throughout the world >> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> >> >> >> Thanks, Ray, for this informative article. I >> think posts like this are >> >> excellent because they focus on information and >> informed commentary, rather >> >> than regurgitation of hyped-up scare tactics and >> orchestrated >> >> misinformation. It is well for us to recheck >> our facts from multiple >> >> sources and be prepared to offer some rebuttal for >> all the junk that is >> >> flying around out there. >> >> >> >> Rick Mcgirr >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network >> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] >> On Behalf Of rayilynlee >> >> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:54 AM >> >> To: [log in to unmask] >> >> Subject: Healthcare throughout the world >> >> >> >> Healthcare Facts >> >> >> >> By T.R. Reid >> >> >> >> Sunday, August 23, 2009 >> >> >> >> <> As Americans search for the cure to what >> ails our health-care system, >> >> we've overlooked an invaluable source of ideas and >> solutions: the rest of<> >> >> the world. All the other industrialized >> democracies have faced problems >> >> like ours, yet they've found ways to cover >> everybody -- and still spend >> >> far less than we do. >> >> >> >> <> I've traveled the world from Oslo to >> Osaka to see how other developed >> >> democracies provide health care. Instead of >> dismissing these models as<> >> >> "socialist," we could adapt their solutions to fix >> our problems. To do that, >> >> we first have to dispel a few myths about health >> care abroad: >> >> >> >> 1. It's all socialized medicine out there. >> >> >> >> <> Not so. Some countries, such as Britain, >> New Zealand and Cuba, do provide >> >> health care in government hospitals, with the >> government paying the bills.<> >> >> Others -- for instance, Canada and Taiwan -- rely >> on private-sector >> >> providers, paid for by government-run insurance. >> But many wealthy<> >> >> countries -- including Germany, the Netherlands, >> Japan and Switzerland -- >> >> provide universal coverage using private doctors, >> private hospitals and<> >> >> private insurance plans. In some ways, >> health care is less "socialized" >> >> overseas than in the United <> States. >> Almost all Americans sign up for >> >> government insurance (Medicare) at age 65. In >> Germany, Switzerland and the >> >> Netherlands, seniors stick with<> private >> insurance plans for life. >> >> Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Veterans >> Affairs is one of the planet's >> >> purest examples of government-run >> >> health care. >> >> >> >> 2. Overseas, care is rationed through >> limited choices or long lines. >> >> >> >> <> Generally, no. Germans can sign up for >> any of the nation's 200 private >> >> health insurance plans -- a broader choice than >> any American has. If a<> >> >> German doesn't like her insurance company, she can >> switch to another, with >> >> no increase in premium. The Swiss, too, can choose >> any insurance plan in<> >> >> the country. >> >> In France and Japan, you don't get a choice >> of insurance provider; you have >> >> to use the one designated for your company or your >> industry.<> But patients >> >> can go to any doctor, any hospital, any >> traditional healer. There no U.S. >> >> -style limits such as "in-network" lists of >> doctors or <> >> >> "pre-authorization" for surgery. You pick any >> doctor, you get treatment -- >> >> and insurance has to pay.<>Canadians have >> their choice of providers. In >> >> Austria and Germany, if a doctor diagnoses a >> person as "stressed," medical >> >> insurance pays for weekends at a health >> spa.<> >> >> <><> As for those notorious waiting >> lists, some countries are indeed plagued >> >> by them. Canada makes patients wait weeks or >> months for nonemergency care, >> >> as >> >> a way to keep costs down. But studies by the >> Commonwealth Fund and others >> >> report that many nations -- Germany, Britain, >> Austria -- outperform the<> >> >> United States on measures such as waiting times >> for appointments and for >> >> elective surgeries. In Japan, >> waiting times are so short that most >> >> patients don't bother to make an appointment. One >> Thursday morning in Tokyo, >> >> I called the<> prestigious orthopedic clinic >> at Keio University Hospital to >> >> schedule a consultation about my aching >> shoulder. "Why don't you just drop >> >> by?" the receptionist said. That same afternoon, I >> was in the surgeon's >> >> office. Dr. Nakamichi<> recommended an >> operation. "When could we do it?" I >> >> asked. The doctor checked his computer and said, >> "Tomorrow would be pretty >> >> difficult. Perhaps some day next >> week?" >> >> >> >> 3. Foreign health-care systems are inefficient, >> bloated bureaucracies. >> >> >> >> <>Much less so than here. It may seem to >> Americans that U.S.-style free >> >> enterprise -- private-sector, for-profit health >> insurance -- is naturally<> >> >> the most cost-effective way to pay for health >> care. But in fact, all the >> >> other payment systems are more efficient than >> ours. <>U.S. health insurance >> >> companies have the highest administrative costs in >> the world; they spend >> >> roughly 20 cents of every dollar for >> nonmedical<>costs, such as paperwork, >> >> reviewing claims and marketing. France's health >> insurance industry, in >> >> contrast, covers everybody and spends about >> 4<> percent on administration. >> >> Canada's universal insurance system, run by >> government bureaucrats, spends 6 >> >> percent on administration. In Taiwan, a<> >> leaner version of the Canadian >> >> model has administrative costs of 1.5 >> percent; one year, this figure >> >> ballooned to 2 percent, and the opposition >> <>parties savaged the government >> >> for wasting money. The world champion at >> controlling medical costs is >> >> Japan, even though its <>aging >> population is a profligate consumer of >> >> medical care. On average, the Japanese go to >> the doctor 15 times a year, >> >> three times the U.S. rate. They<> have twice >> as many MRI scans and X-rays. >> >> Quality is high; life expectancy and recovery >> rates for major diseases are >> >> better than in the United<> States. And yet >> Japan spends about $3,400 per >> >> person annually on health care; the United >> States spends more than $7,000. >> >> >> >> 4. Cost controls stifle innovation. >> >> >> >> <>False. The United States is home to >> groundbreaking medical research, but >> >> so are other countries with much lower cost >> structures. Any American who's<> >> >> had a hip or knee replacement is standing on >> French innovation. Deep-brain >> >> stimulation to treat depression is a Canadian >> breakthrough. Many of the<> >> >> wonder drugs promoted endlessly on American >> television, including Viagra, >> >> come from British, Swiss or Japanese labs.<> >> Overseas, strict cost controls >> >> actually drive innovation. In the United >> States, an MRI scan of the neck >> >> region costs about $1,500. In Japan, the<> >> identical scan costs $98. Under >> >> the pressure of cost controls, Japanese >> researchers found ways to perform >> >> the same diagnostic technique for >> >> one-fifteenth the American price. (And Japanese >> labs still make a profit.) >> >> >> >> 5. Health insurance has to be cruel. >> >> >> >> <> Not really. American health insurance >> companies routinely reject >> >> applicants with a "preexisting condition" -- >> precisely the people most<> >> >> likely to need the insurers' service. They employ >> armies of adjusters to >> >> deny claims. If a customer is hit by a truck and >> faces big medical bills, >> >> the insurer's "rescission department" digs through >> the records looking for<> >> >> grounds to cancel the policy, often while the >> victim is still in the >> >> hospital. The companies say they have to do this >> stuff to survive in a tough >> >> business. Foreign health insurance >> companies, in contrast, must accept >> >> all<> applicants, and they can't cancel as >> long as you pay your premiums. >> >> The plans are required to pay any claim submitted >> by a doctor or hospital >> >> (or health spa), usually within tight time limits. >> The big Swiss insurer<> >> >> Groupe Mutuel promises to pay all claims within >> five days. "Our customers >> >> love it," the group's chief executive told me. The >> corollary is that >> >> everyone is mandated to buy insurance, to give the >> plans an adequate pool of >> >> rate-payers.<> The key difference is that >> foreign health insurance plans >> >> exist only to pay people's medical bills, not to >> make a profit. The United >> >> States is the only developed country that lets >> insurance companies profit >> >> from basic health coverage.<> In many ways, >> foreign health-care models are >> >> not really "foreign" to America, because our >> crazy-quilt health-care system >> >> uses elements of all of them. For Native Americans >> or veterans, we're >> >> Britain: The government<> provides health >> care, funding it through general >> >> taxes, and patients get no bills. For people who >> get insurance through their >> >> jobs, we're Germany:<> Premiums are split >> between workers and employers, and >> >> private insurance plans pay private doctors and >> hospitals. For people over >> >> 65, we're Canada:<> Everyone pays premiums >> for an insurance plan run by the >> >> government, and the public plan pays private >> doctors and hospitals according >> >> to a set fee<> schedule. And for the tens of >> millions without insurance >> >> coverage, we're Burundi or Burma: In the world's >> poor nations, sick people >> >> pay out of >> >> pocket for medical care; those who can't pay >> stay sick or die. >> >> >> >> <> This fragmentation is another reason that >> we spend more than anybody else >> >> and still leave millions without coverage. All the >> other developed<> >> >> countries have settled on one model for >> health-care delivery and finance; >> >> we've blended them all into a costly, confusing >> bureaucratic mess.<> Which, >> >> in turn, punctures the most persistent myth of >> all: that America has "the >> >> finest health care" in the world. We don't. In >> terms of results,<> almost >> >> all advanced countries have better national health >> statistics than the >> >> United States does. In terms of finance, we force >> 700,000 Americans<> into >> >> bankruptcy each year because of medical bills. In >> France, the number of >> >> medical bankruptcies is zero. Britain: zero. >> Japan: zero. Germany: zero. >> >> >> >> <>Given our remarkable medical assets -- the >> best-educated doctors and >> >> nurses, the most advanced hospitals, world-class >> research -- the United<> >> >> States could be, and should be, the best in the >> world. To get there, though, >> >> we have to be willing to learn some lessons about >> health-care administration >> >> from the other industrialized democracies. >> >> >> >> > T.R. Reid, a former Washington Post reporter, >> is the author of "The >> >> >> >> > Healing of America: A Global Quest for >> Better, Cheaper, and Fairer > Health >> >> >> >> > Care," to be published Monday. >> >> >> >> >> >> Rayilyn Brown >> >> Director AZNPF >> >> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >> >> [log in to unmask] >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ >> > Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for >> you. >> > http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB&publ=WLHMTAG&crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> > mailto:[log in to unmask] >> > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn