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Charlie: The "Progressives" I am talking about were Democratic and Republican reformers of the "Progressive Era" in American History. A "progressive" Republican Senator from Kansas, Joseph Bristow, proposed the direct election of senators in 1911. In 1913 it was finally passed despite opposition of most Republicans due to support of Senator William Borah of Idaho. Don't you think it was a good idea or do you want to repeal it and go back to the state legislatures electing our senators? I gave it as an exception to my claim that Republicans have done nothing to promote the general welfare since the Civil War. I never intermixed progressives and liberals. Republican trust-buster President Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive who formed the Bull Moose or Progressive Party. Today, most liberals have adopted the term "progressive" since "liberal" has become a dirty word. I agree with Van Jones idea that 9/11 might have been an inside job. I am waiting for these great Republican ideas. Charlie, I am not making things up. I've spent my life studying and teaching history. Even art history and can tell you Glenn Beck's recent rant on Rockefeller Center art was ridiculous. He even characterized Robber Baron John D. Rockefeller as a progressive. He is a high school graduate and deranged fool, completely unqualified to speak about anything. Are you going to instruct me as to what a progressive is??? Ray,, MA History UCLA 1967, teacher of Advanced Placement American, European, and Art History LA City Schools 26 years Rayilyn Brown Director AZNPF Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation [log in to unmask] -------------------------------------------------- From: "Black Charles" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 2:10 PM To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Elephant in the Room > you are painting with a broad brush there Ray! I disagee with your > premise. The Conservatives have come up with many ides, mostly rejected > out of hand by the "progessives". > Don't intermix the terms "Progressive" and"Liberal" either,they are NOT > the same thing! > I have no confidence in the Fed's ability to run a single payer system. > > the single payer system is designed for one thing and one thing only, and > thats to give the Federal govenment control over 25% of our economy. > Ezekual and Rahm Emanual are both on the record as supporting end of life > rationing of health care. I have seen them say so, this is NOT a > debateable point, it is a FACT. > > These progressives give zero thought to the outcome of their actions, > they just want their "vision" impliemented. The ends justify the means > with these people. As a PWP I am concerned about everyone's care under > single payer. > Need I even start on Van Jones? Anyone who agrees with his > positions...well.... > > Charlie > --- On Fri, 9/4/09, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> >> Subject: Elephant in the Room >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 10:47 AM >> The "elephant in the room" is that >> there is no elephant (GOP) in the room when it comes to >> progressive reforms. >> >> And with the exception of progressive Republicans in the >> Progressive Era (early 20th century) there has been no >> effort from them to promote the general welfare since the >> Civil War. In the late 19th century Robber Barons made >> the 14th Amendment their own, e.g., a corporation is a >> "person". >> >> Since the 1930's they have opposed Social Security, >> Medicare, Medicaid, and universal health care, with >> the same arguments: It costs too much and it is >> socialism. >> >> Moving too fast you say again, how long do we wait, another >> few centuries? Its kind of like waiting for a cure for >> PD. Don't hold your breath while the rest of the world >> surges ahead. >> >> THE PRESENT DAY GOP DOES NOT WANT REFORM AND THEY WANT >> OBAMA TO FAIL. THEY ARE CONSERVATIVES and now their >> lunatic fringe controls the party. >> They are truly the party of "NO", no change, no >> solutions, no compassion. >> >> Ray >> >> Rayilyn Brown >> Director AZNPF >> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >> [log in to unmask] >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:listserv@listserv.utoronto..ca >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn