Our interests best served through compassion. Simmer down folks. Allah shafi (god only has curing powers)
Haroon
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From: Rick McGirr <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 11:15:46
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Elephant in the Room
It does no good to disparage each other over political rabble rousing while
the fruits of an informed debate wither on the vine. If you want universal
healthcare, say so. If you don't say so. But don't call me a nazi because
I don't favor it, and don't call me a commie because I do. There is too
much at stake, and so far the loudest voices are the nay-sayers from every
block.
My point of interest in this whole thing is not about myself, but about
those who go without care because of lack of coverage. Of course, that
could well include my family after my wife retires, if Medicare goes the way
of the dinosaurs (cataclysmic event bringing on the end of the age). But
we're ok now. I want to take care of those less fortunate than myself.
You can say whatever you want about my politics. (For purposes of moving
the debate forward, the less the better.)
Enjoy!
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network
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Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 5:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Elephant in the Room
you are painting with a broad brush there Ray! I disagee with your premise.
The Conservatives have come up with many ides, mostly rejected out of hand
by the "progessives".
Don't intermix the terms "Progressive" and"Liberal" either,they are NOT the
same thing!
I have no confidence in the Fed's ability to run a single payer system.
the single payer system is designed for one thing and one thing only, and
thats to give the Federal govenment control over 25% of our economy.
Ezekual and Rahm Emanual are both on the record as supporting end of life
rationing of health care. I have seen them say so, this is NOT a debateable
point, it is a FACT.
These progressives give zero thought to the outcome of their actions, they
just want their "vision" impliemented. The ends justify the means with
these people. As a PWP I am concerned about everyone's care under single
payer.
Need I even start on Van Jones? Anyone who agrees with his
positions...well....
Charlie
--- On Fri, 9/4/09, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Elephant in the Room
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 10:47 AM
> The "elephant in the room" is that
> there is no elephant (GOP) in the room when it comes to
> progressive reforms.
>
> And with the exception of progressive Republicans in the
> Progressive Era (early 20th century) there has been no
> effort from them to promote the general welfare since the
> Civil War. In the late 19th century Robber Barons made
> the 14th Amendment their own, e.g., a corporation is a
> "person".
>
> Since the 1930's they have opposed Social Security,
> Medicare, Medicaid, and universal health care, with
> the same arguments: It costs too much and it is
> socialism.
>
> Moving too fast you say again, how long do we wait, another
> few centuries? Its kind of like waiting for a cure for
> PD. Don't hold your breath while the rest of the world
> surges ahead.
>
> THE PRESENT DAY GOP DOES NOT WANT REFORM AND THEY WANT
> OBAMA TO FAIL. THEY ARE CONSERVATIVES and now their
> lunatic fringe controls the party.
> They are truly the party of "NO", no change, no
> solutions, no compassion.
>
> Ray
>
> Rayilyn Brown
> Director AZNPF
> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
> [log in to unmask]
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