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I have sudden bouts of perspiration in perfectly air conditioned rooms. Find it very embarrassing one know tips or tricks to deal Haroon 62 turning 63 on 19 see PD patient since last 6 years *** This Message Has Been Sent Using my BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 18:40:11 To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Elephant in the Room Thanks, Murray, we need your voice in this "debate". I would say that big money has already bought the Congress. It has also bought support from the "little people" who vote against their own interests. I'm still waiting for someone to find anything that conservatives have supported that promotes the general welfare since the turn of the 20th century. Ray Rayilyn Brown Director AZNPF Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation [log in to unmask] -------------------------------------------------- From: "Murray Kastner" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:42 AM To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Elephant in the Room > Single payer is the only system that works, and the Canadian system > proves it, as does the British, French and German. Conservatives are fond > of condemning single-payer systems, saying that it places the government > between the doctor and the patient. Well, my friend, it is far worse to > have the insurance companies between the doctor and the patient. And the > insurance companies are out of control. Left to their own device they > will continue to run up costs in pursuit of ever more profits. After all, > their motives are tied to increasing profit, not concern for the patient. > > If the insurance companies prevail, and they have the $$$ to buy the > congress and the Senate, they will bankrupt the economy. Without shadow > of a doubt. Enjoy your reverie now because the economy is headed for the > crapper. For a while I had some hope. The election of Obama seemed to > indicate that the electorate was maturing and had perhaps learned a > lesson from re-electing W. But it seems like the big money is gonna > torpedo any hopes for universal health care. > > Like the song goes, "Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think." The > right wing nuts will buy their way into denying the change that Obama was > elected for. > > Boy, am I glad to be living in Canada where some sanity prevails and the > term "single payer" and concern for our fellow man are paramount. The > overriding motif seems to be: "I'm alright Jack" and thousands -- nay, > millions -- shall suffer the tragedy of either having no insurance, > losing insurance when they lose their jobs, or having their insurers > refuse to carry out their responsibilities and deny users care claiming > 'prior' conditions or just curtailing losses in cases where they can get > away with it. Socialism is a dirty word amongst the conservatives; well, > watch what happens with unbridled capitalism reigns supreme. > > I expect that President Palin will satisfy you, right? And God will > provide, right? > > > On 5-Sep-09, at 5:10 PM, Black Charles wrote: > >> you are painting with a broad brush there Ray! I disagee with your >> premise. The Conservatives have come up with many ides, mostly rejected >> out of hand by the "progessives". >> Don't intermix the terms "Progressive" and"Liberal" either,they are NOT >> the same thing! >> I have no confidence in the Fed's ability to run a single payer system. >> >> the single payer system is designed for one thing and one thing only, >> and thats to give the Federal govenment control over 25% of our economy. >> Ezekual and Rahm Emanual are both on the record as supporting end of >> life rationing of health care. I have seen them say so, this is NOT a >> debateable point, it is a FACT. >> >> These progressives give zero thought to the outcome of their actions, >> they just want their "vision" impliemented. The ends justify the means >> with these people. As a PWP I am concerned about everyone's care under >> single payer. >> Need I even start on Van Jones? Anyone who agrees with his >> positions...well.... >> >> Charlie >> --- On Fri, 9/4/09, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> >>> Subject: Elephant in the Room >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 10:47 AM >>> The "elephant in the room" is that >>> there is no elephant (GOP) in the room when it comes to >>> progressive reforms. >>> >>> And with the exception of progressive Republicans in the >>> Progressive Era (early 20th century) there has been no >>> effort from them to promote the general welfare since the >>> Civil War. In the late 19th century Robber Barons made >>> the 14th Amendment their own, e.g., a corporation is a >>> "person". >>> >>> Since the 1930's they have opposed Social Security, >>> Medicare, Medicaid, and universal health care, with >>> the same arguments: It costs too much and it is >>> socialism. >>> >>> Moving too fast you say again, how long do we wait, another >>> few centuries? Its kind of like waiting for a cure for >>> PD. Don't hold your breath while the rest of the world >>> surges ahead. >>> >>> THE PRESENT DAY GOP DOES NOT WANT REFORM AND THEY WANT >>> OBAMA TO FAIL. THEY ARE CONSERVATIVES and now their >>> lunatic fringe controls the party. >>> They are truly the party of "NO", no change, no >>> solutions, no compassion. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> Rayilyn Brown >>> Director AZNPF >>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >>> [log in to unmask] >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:listserv@listserv.utoronto..ca >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn