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My open response to all of these Ref: Elephant in the room. replies. I am really tired of reading all of them . It is my feeling that this is not the web sight to promote your political opinions. ( or religious). I have received much information about P D which I am very grateful. It is my primary source of information about PD. Certainly it is more helpful than any thing I get from the Doctors. We can help each other about how PD will effect us and how to deal with it. I would like to see this sight restricted to the subject at hand and go somewhere else to vent your political views. This may tick you off but it is the way I feel. Roy Morris > To: [log in to unmask] > > you are painting with a broad brush there Ray! I disagee with your premise. The Conservatives have come up with many ides, mostly rejected out of hand by the "progessives". > Don't intermix the terms "Progressive" and"Liberal" either,they are NOT the same thing! > I have no confidence in the Fed's ability to run a single payer system. > > the single payer system is designed for one thing and one thing only, and thats to give the Federal govenment control over 25% of our economy. > Ezekual and Rahm Emanual are both on the record as supporting end of life rationing of health care. I have seen them say so, this is NOT a debateable point, it is a FACT. > > These progressives give zero thought to the outcome of their actions, they just want their "vision" impliemented. The ends justify the means with these people. As a PWP I am concerned about everyone's care under single payer. > Need I even start on Van Jones? Anyone who agrees with his positions...well.... > > Charlie > --- On Fri, 9/4/09, rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > From: rayilynlee <[log in to unmask]> > > Subject: Elephant in the Room > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Date: Friday, September 4, 2009, 10:47 AM > > The "elephant in the room" is that > > there is no elephant (GOP) in the room when it comes to > > progressive reforms. > > > > And with the exception of progressive Republicans in the > > Progressive Era (early 20th century) there has been no > > effort from them to promote the general welfare since the > > Civil War. In the late 19th century Robber Barons made > > the 14th Amendment their own, e.g., a corporation is a > > "person". > > > > Since the 1930's they have opposed Social Security, > > Medicare, Medicaid, and universal health care, with > > the same arguments: It costs too much and it is > > socialism. > > > > Moving too fast you say again, how long do we wait, another > > few centuries? Its kind of like waiting for a cure for > > PD. Don't hold your breath while the rest of the world > > surges ahead. > > > > THE PRESENT DAY GOP DOES NOT WANT REFORM AND THEY WANT > > OBAMA TO FAIL. THEY ARE CONSERVATIVES and now their > > lunatic fringe controls the party. > > They are truly the party of "NO", no change, no > > solutions, no compassion. > > > > Ray > > > > Rayilyn Brown > > Director AZNPF > > Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation > > [log in to unmask] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:listserv@listserv.utoronto..ca > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn