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do we need to ban aborted fetuses in food ? Yek ! > Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 11:54:33 -0700 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: we need truth! > To: [log in to unmask] > > Mary Ann, > > How true!!!! No one will convince me that a microscopic cell is the same > thing as a person, nor will you change your mind. However, I do think > someone should be responsible for the truth about this research. Calling > Meg a "baby killer", supporting laws that ban aborted fetuses in food and > 14th Amendment "personhood" rights for zygotes, does not prevent abortions > nor does it cure Parkinson's. > > Claiming false Adult Stem Cell cures for PD, such as Prentice did a few > years ago does not advance science nor does it change people's minds re > ethical issues. > > I spent several years researching and exposing Prentice which is why I > privately sent David 10 out of close to 100 emails which document this > effort. Sources of information (as in history) are important so we > get valid info. > > The truth of whether any research works or what it involves, I think would > be of interest to PWP. I don't care of it turns out iPSCs works for PD, or > something else. And everyone has the right to believe what they want, > PLEASE JUST DON'T LIE. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Ann Ryan > Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:02 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Lets talk about ESC Mania! > > This topic has been discussed on this list over and over again. I suggest > that we move on and agree to disagree. David, there will be no 'give' in > the response from those who disagree with you. No one will attempt to > answer your questions if it gives credibility to your argument. > > Each camp will remain firmly entrenched. I doubt that anyone's mind will be > changed. My husband, a Ph.D. Physical Chemist died because of PD but would > never have considered a stem cell implant for ethical reasons. That's how > he felt. Others on this list would choose any treatment that could > potentially work. I've come to the conclusion that there will be no middle > ground when it comes to ESCR. > ---------- > Mary Ann (CG Jamie 68/28 with PD, died 11/20/07) > > > When I first responded to the comments concerning the OK politician, it > > was because I too, thought his proposal was ridiculous. I didn't realize > > that Meg had been the brunt of some radical's actions. But when Ray said > > let's discuss the issue, I subsequently asked those questions. I don't > > know Dr. Prentice, and used his testimony in the context of supporting > > gov't. and other entity's documentation. His credibility shouldn't be the > > issue if those are legitimate questions based on scientific conclusion. > > > > The reason I asked questions is because I am not qualified to answer any > > of them. So far, there has been no one who has answered questions 1--6, > > with supporting documentation. Are those questions true or false? > > > > I respect your opinion on when a human being begins life. But at the > > moment of conception, it is my understanding that an incredible event > > occurs; a one of a kind stamp that will carry that individual's identity > > from that moment and will survive his or her own death: DNA. Am I wrong, > > does DNA come along sometime later in the development of the "fetus"? If > > there is science that refutes my understanding of when DNA is established, > > I'd appreciate seeing it. > > > > The lines seem to be clearly drawn. My wife and I have several friends > > who have had abortions, and I understand why they are passionate about > > this issue. We can't judge them nor do we think they are murderers. We > > love them and have enjoyed their friendship for years. They know where we > > stand; I believe that life does begin at conception, (no debate > > necessary). Like I said before, it seems that those in favor of abortion > > are also for ESCR, and visa versa. > > > > I was diagnosed with PD 7 years ago, and have been taking a supplement for > > about 2 years now. It has been adequately vented on this site, but it > > deals with Adult Stem cell Nutrients. I've seen a degrading PD > > progression turn around and in some cases completely reverse the symptom. > > My worsening resting tremor in my left thumb is now gone; my shuffling, > > forward leaning gate is now a heel-toe upright walk. My energy and > > strength levels have improved. > > > > You may not have been on this site when I thought I was spreading good > > news about a product that had helped me in my fight against PD. The > > response was less than positive, and I realized that there was a lot of > > animosity based, I guess, on years of experience some of the members had > > with so called "cures". Some said I was just trying to get rich (I'm not > > looking for a job) off the sick, that the placebo effect was in play; that > > this is what keeps "faith healers" in business, etc. And finally; "it > > won't last". Well, it's been good for me for a little under 2 years now, > > so if it doesn't last, I at least have enjoyed the improvement so far. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dave > parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn