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thank you Meg, you summed it up so well "If you don't believe in stem cell cures, more power to you, don't use them. But why can't I? " As the research progresses and treatments are developed using stem cells (of all kinds) i think the opposition will start to fade. And thank you Hilary for your very clear explanation of stem cell science and the controversy over ESCR and SCNT. The latest progress in PD research using stem cells was reported today. Scientists at the University of Buffalo "have successfully made human brain cells in the lab that are an exact replica of genetically caused Parkinson's disease. The breakthrough means they can now see exactly how mutations in the parkin gene cause the disease in an estimated one in 10 patients with Parkinson's. And it offers a realistic model to test new treatments on - a hurdle that has blighted research efforts until now. The team told Nature Communications their work was a "game-changer"." see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/health-16913997?SThisFB linda www.pdpipeline.org ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Meg Duggan <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Lets talk about ESC Mania!/DNA Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 10:35:06 -0500 You know, I am not a fan of banging my head against brick walls and have long since stopped trying to debate this stuff. Everyone is entitled and welcome to their beliefs. What I don't understand and will always fight against is why one persons beliefs must bar me and others from exercising our beliefs. If you don't believe in stem cell cures, more power to you, don't use them. But why can't I? -----Original Message----- From: David McMurray <[log in to unmask]> To: PARKINSN <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, Feb 7, 2012 1:03 am Subject: Re: Lets talk about ESC Mania!/DNA I understand the fact that there is DNA in every cell, but it all started t conception, a unique permanent ID that is undisputable. To me, that is a ignature of life, and doesn't depend on any arbitrary proclamation of when t begins. -----Original Message----- rom: Rayilyn Brown ent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 5:21 PM o: [log in to unmask] ubject: Re: Lets talk about ESC Mania!/DNA or Dave NA is there from the beginning but it is in every cell in your body and you on't consider each cell a person. Are you saying then that DNA should not e disturbed in any way? Should IVF be banned? -----Original Message----- rom: mschild ent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 4:49 AM o: [log in to unmask] ubject: Re: Lets talk about ESC Mania! > I respect your opinion on when a human being begins life. But at the moment of conception, it is my understanding that an incredible event occurs; a one of a kind stamp that will carry that individual's identity from that moment and will survive his or her own death: DNA. Am I wrong, does DNA come along sometime later in the development of the "fetus"? If there is science that refutes my understanding of when DNA is established, I'd appreciate seeing it. ou must know that during IVF, a few ova are fertilized and then frozen. hen sed, they inplant one fertilized ovum in the uterus. If it works, a baby is orn 9 months later. What happens to the frozen fertilized �embryos�? If the ouple does not want any more children, those �embryos� are destroyed. If ot estroyed, they can be used to produce a line of stem cells that could inally ontribute to a cure or at least a treatment for some disease. You prefer hose embryos to be destroyed? your choice but some people prefer to use hem o help sick people. prefer hope to and end in a bin aryse ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] n the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] n the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] n the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn