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I adopted a child out of the state of Missouri system. He was 11, and his back story would curl your hair. No one, with the single exception of a boy scout troop leader, stepped up or fought for him. Had a dog been treated as my son was, I assure you the hue and cry would be heard around the nation. In Missouri alone, there are over 7,000 children waiting for homes, most will never get one. I also take ex- foster kids in summers and holidays. These children are simply tossed out of the system at 18. Some one them have some well of courage and will; if they can dig deep inside and get themselves to college, they stay alone in the dorms on holidays and become magically homeless each summer. Our lost and alone children are legion, and the way this country treats them is a travesty. Why can't our political leaders focus their arguments and efforts on these living, abandoned children? Our future indeed. Its a stunning waste of time and effort when so many are waiting and in need. Meg -----Original Message----- From: jcu <[log in to unmask]> To: PARKINSN <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sun, Mar 18, 2012 1:00 am Subject: Re: MJFOX ON SANTORUM All of this is so intriguing. 'Personhood, and when it begins' sounds like uch a noble debate. But once a child is born, exactly when does their personhood' actually get respected? Exactly when are children ever ruly treated like 'citizens' in any real sense of that word? The hypocrisy of these thinkers is astounding! A baffled canadian, oan n 2012-03-16, at 11:36 PM, Rayilyn Brown wrote: > Rick I like your observation that life is a continuum. We were all star dust once. IVF sure changed the abortion argument didn't it? I mean who knew about ygotes among the non-scientific population? People who oppose science and base their opinions on faith should not be aking research decisions in a secular society IMO. What I am most concerned about is this hostility to science. Faith didn't ive us knowledge of DNA or IVF. -----Original Message----- From: Rick McGirr Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:45 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: MJFOX ON SANTORUM After listening to MJ Fox's diplomatic approach, I clicked on the short with on Paul and heard his pandering. I have also heard Santorum's absolute tatements, and Gingrich's hypocritical traditionalism, Romney's posturing, and resident Obama's strong support for a woman's right to choose. I can haracterize much of what I hear as political "peacock-ing", if you'll allow me. The discussion about when a person's life begins is an interesting one. I xpect that the more convinced one is about when personhood begins, the more esolute one will be about the issue of when abortion is allowable. The view hat the fetus' life need not be considered at all seems to have taken a back eat to the idea that, at some stage along the way, a viable human person merges during the nine month process, and "person" means "citizen" and citizen" means "rights". For me, the terms need further clarification. "Life" to me is a continuum. If fully represent my views here, it will be something different than what others ould state. The questions crop up like new plant growth after a forest fire. rying to be a bit dainty here, there is a lot of "life" that ends up in places ther than where God intended for our propagation. If a couple copulate nsuccessfully, are eggs and sperm cells "life", even when they don't combine? s this an example of when "life" ends? How is this life/death to be classified? s there evidence of a moment at which the breath of life is blown into a group f cells? Does this "breath" cause a group of cells to be an individual? When is t appropriate to bestow full citizen's rights to this group of cells? Is there moment which passes, after which we can draw the distinction between persons nd biological material? Further, do frozen, non-implanted embryos meet any such efinitions? These 'groups of cells' are not in a survivable condition, once hey are thawed. They still have to successfully be implanted by the doctor, and ttach to the uterine wall of the candidate mother and develop the umbilical ord, etc, through the months during gestation. Is there a mother/child elationship between the un-implanted embryo while it survives in the womb? Is he woman actually a "mother", before, during, and/or after such attempts are ade, either in the bedroom or the laboratory? In the case of unsuccessful ttempts, should the doctor, or the copulating couple, be charged with egligence or worse? This is not a ridiculous question, within the framework of urrent discussions, that is, if "life begins at conception". Are these and a host of other questions not legally, socially, religiously, ersonally, politically pertinent? Is this not as thorny a range of subjects as ou could encounter in any creekside raspberry patch? My view is that even though males participate in the process of procreation, omen ought to be the majority of any body deciding on a woman's right to ask or and receive abortion. If I were a woman, I wouldn't want any gaggle of rich, hite men to sit in judgment of my sexuality and the sanctity of my actions. I lso view the discussion of a woman's right to abortion services as a istracting parallel discussion on the rights of the cells of embryos. My view s that there is no evidence of personhood at the stage of combined sperm and gg, before implantation in the uterus, including those embryos in the freezers f IVF clinics. The use of such embryos for medical research should be allowed nd fully supported. So many questions, and so many answers... Rick McGirr -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] n Behalf Of Rayilyn Brown Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:51 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: MJFOX ON SANTORUM Fox has interesting take on Santorum’s ESCR beliefs: http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/14/michael-j-fox-on-rick-santorums-anti-stem-cell-research-beliefs-i-dont-want-to-suppress-ideas-i-dont-agree-with/?hpt=pm_mid Ray Rayilyn Brown Past Director AZNPF Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] n the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn