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Dave, I for one welcome u here and welcome your point of view. We are a bit of a microcosm here, and one with a clearly shared end view, curing pd. In many ways, annoying and frustrating as it is to butt heads over and over again, I find it all illustrative of the truly awful polarization this country is facing and daily engaged in. I'm fairly horrified that we can't even find common ground as pwp. Perhaps this very large group of people with a clear common ground could lead the way for a periously divided country. Maybe we can find our way back to mediated middle ground. And thru that, be an example to our shockingly polarized politicians? Let's be leaders in affecting change. There are 7000 people on this ls. I would guess that translates to at least 2000 Americans. Let's work as a bi partisan group and propose compromise. We have bigger problems than bickering over stem cells. We need to stand together as a community and demand full NIH research. 

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On Apr 17, 2012, at 10:25 AM, David McMurray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I guess this is aimed at my last post; my question is, what "format" did I use that is "disallowed"?  Is answering questions posed, and balancing the issues with a counterpoint, not allowed on this site?
> 
> If my last post is censored by those in charge, please remove me from your mail list immediately.
> 
> Regards;
> 
> Dave
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Rayilyn Brown
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> Ray,
> Will you kindly send this on to the List over my name?  Thank you.
> 
> 
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> Mary Ann,
> For better or for worse politics does play an important part in determining
> whether research
> that leads to a cure or a less painful life will be pursued, and the
> importance of voting in November
> should not be under estimated.  It was during President Bush's
> administration that his Bioethics
> Commission was stacked with anti-ESC research members, and meaningful
> research sidelined and made
> virtually impossible because of restrictions that were imposed.  I recall
> too, that true to his word Presi-
> dent Obama signed legislation very shortly after taking office that
> authorized this research.  Politics and
> the vote matters.
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/16/12, Mary Ann Ryan<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> It would be best to leave political discussions off this forum. No one
> wins - and no one's mind is changed.
> ---------
> Mary Ann
> 
> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> and thanks for responding. I guess you fear Obama has death panels in
>> store for us, right? So what do you suggest for health care?
>> 
>> At one time in history feudalism was a "better" system. Capitalism and
>> industralization definitely led to human progress; non-industial
>> societies don't do very well. But is this the end of the line? The best
>> we can do? I specifically asked why profit had to be a part of health
>> care and you did not address that question.
>> 
>> The defects of the "free market" system put us in this mess, not Mr.
>> Obama. The repeal of the Glass-Seagall Act's ban on investment and
>> commercial banking in one institution led to the financial breakdown. It
>> had kept us safe since the 1930's
>> 
>> I for one am tired of hearing about the superiority of the United
>> States. For your information DBS was first done by a French doctor.
>> ProSavin is only being done in the UK and France.
>> 
>> I also think the big government vs. small government issue is a phony one.
>> What matters is who is in the government not how big or small it is. For
>> the past few decades Republicans have gotten control of many state
>> governments. Witness the retrogressive, extremist legislation they are
>> producing or attempting to produce, personhood laws, bans on collective
>> bargaining, invasive vaginal exams, voter suppression, anti-abortion,
>> stand your ground, etc. Talk about Big Brother!!!!
>> 
>> These issues do affect people with Parkinson's and all diseases for that
>> matter. We ignore them at our peril.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: David McMurray
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:26 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>> 
>> Ray, your comments and questions warrant a response.....in general, profit
>> has made this country the most prosperous, with the highest standard of
>> living, in the history of mankind. Instead of a system, like the Soviet
>> Union and others that shared and share equally in scarcity, (which
>> increases
>> human suffering and a poverty standard of living), our Free Market economy
>> has done just the opposite. And if we can reverse the direction that Mr.
>> Obama has pointed us in, we will continue to see opportunities for those
>> who
>> want to work hard and improve their lot in life.
>> 
>> I am much more concerned about Big Brother telling us what we can or
>> cannot
>> be treated for. I've seen the quotes, and the Panels of Experts that will
>> eventually be formed under ObamaCare will have the power to deem an
>> individual unfit for further treatment, or a specific treatment, (based on
>> economic concerns, i.e., what's the cost/benefit factor.) Obama has
>> mentioned the fact that the rising cost of Care is directly related to the
>> increased numbers of the Senior population and the expensive treatment for
>> serious illnesses common to them. Denying treatment is going to be a
>> major
>> cost-cutting feature of OBC.....this concept used to be" Unthinkable", but
>> has become "Thinkable", soon to be "Acceptable".....all done for the
>> "common
>> good".
>> 
>> November, for me is a "no-brainer"....:):)
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Rayilyn Brown
>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:57 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER?
>> 
>> I just heard Romney’s address to the NRA. he said Obama is destroying
>> our
>> economic, religious and personal freedom (to choose our own health care),
>> and the constitution . The Declaration of Independence god-given rights
>> was also cited.
>> 
>> What kind of a life does one have with Parkinson’s?
>> 
>> Is a cure going to come from the free market which sees no profit in a
>> cure, the churches, or the NRA?
>> 
>> Can someone tell me why profit has to be the foundation of our health
>> care?
>> 
>> WHAT A TERRIBLE SHAME IT WOULD BE IF PROSAVIN TURNED OUT TO BE A CURE FOR
>> PD, BUT WAS NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH FOR THE “JOB CREATORS”!!
>> 
>> Please, I beg you, don’t return us to the past.
>> 
>> Ray
>> Rayilyn Brown
>> Past Director AZNPF
>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation
>> 
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