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Please don't misunderstand what I've written, Dave. I also love to banter with the opposition about political issues and do so on a very regular basis. However, this forum is not the place because too many people are already frustrated by the burden of PD. There are other PD lists where this kind of discussion would be welcome. I've been here since 1995 or so I've seen a lot of disagreement in a variety of right/left political discussions. It has only led to people leaving. Since I believe that the purpose of the list is to inform the participants about old and new therapies I believe a politics should be left out of the mix. ---------- Mary Ann > Mary Ann: > > Well stated, and It's obvious that that my comments are not really > welcomed in this forum....I have not initiated the subject matter, but > have felt that, if someone else has, that I had an obligation or right to > present my views. I don't want to frustrate or cause any problems for > those on this site. I am one of the few more fortunate pd patients in > that I am still functioning fairly well, and the symptoms in many areas > have actually regressed to some extent. > > My response to the above question has, (as is usually the case) brought > further posts that I consider political, but fair game in this > forum....however, I am going to take Tony's advise and "take my Politics > elsewhere". The question is, Tony, does that include everyone, or just > conservatives like me? > > I've been a member of this austere group for a couple years, and have > enjoyed the robust jousting with my liberal counter-parts. It has been > most stimulating...but since I have been sent information from management > on how to unsubscribe, I feel it is timely, and will do so after this > post. > > Although we may be miles apart in our world views, we do have one thing in > common, and my wife and I hope and pray every day that PD will be > conquered and all will return to a more normal lifestyle. > > Sincerely, > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Ann Ryan > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:36 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? > > Sigh!!!! To everyone who has addressed my post............. > > Who votes for any party or president because of a single issue?? There is > so much more to Romney and Obama than health care - particularly when it > comes to PD research? > > On one side we have a major change occurring in health care that, I > promise > you, will not be friendly to the people on this list. If you are over the > age of 70 and have a chronic illness, there will be restrictions as to > what > therapies will be made available to you. Those changes in health care > will > occur because of Obama. > > If Romney is elected, the conservative approach to stem cell research will > probably remain in place - but challenges to the proposed health care > legislation will also occur. That will mean that limitations in treatment > will not go forward, to the benefit of PWP and other chronic diseases.ly > > Pick your poison. > > Dave, Ray and Rick have consistently been for stem cell research and thus > against the Republican party platform regarding pro-life issues. They > have > made that very clear. What is going to change? In the meantime, people > who > prefer to not engage in politics are going to want to leave the list > because > of the vitriol that always develops in these discussions. It has happened > before. > -------- > Mary Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David McMurray" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? > > >> Mary Ann, I have promised not to initiate political debate, but when it >> is introduced, should I not respond? I realize I most likely am in the >> minority, (unless there is a "silent majority") :) on this site. And at >> our age, the die, I'm sure is cast. But when Ray or Nic post a question >> or a statement that crosses the line into the political arena, that is >> when I attempt to express my views on the subject. >> >> Dave >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mary Ann Ryan >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:42 AM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? >> >> It would be best to leave political discussions off this forum. No one >> wins - and no one's mind is changed. >> --------- >> Mary Ann >> >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> and thanks for responding. I guess you fear Obama has death panels in >>> store for us, right? So what do you suggest for health care? >>> >>> At one time in history feudalism was a "better" system. Capitalism >>> and industralization definitely led to human progress; non-industial >>> societies don't do very well. But is this the end of the line? The >>> best we can do? I specifically asked why profit had to be a part of >>> health care and you did not address that question. >>> >>> The defects of the "free market" system put us in this mess, not Mr. >>> Obama. The repeal of the Glass-Seagall Act's ban on investment and >>> commercial banking in one institution led to the financial breakdown. >>> It had kept us safe since the 1930's >>> >>> I for one am tired of hearing about the superiority of the United >>> States. For your information DBS was first done by a French doctor. >>> ProSavin is only being done in the UK and France. >>> >>> I also think the big government vs. small government issue is a phony >>> one. What matters is who is in the government not how big or small it >>> is. For the past few decades Republicans have gotten control of many >>> state governments. Witness the retrogressive, extremist legislation >>> they are producing or attempting to produce, personhood laws, bans on >>> collective bargaining, invasive vaginal exams, voter suppression, >>> anti-abortion, stand your ground, etc. Talk about Big Brother!!!! >>> >>> These issues do affect people with Parkinson's and all diseases for that >>> matter. We ignore them at our peril. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David McMurray >>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:26 PM >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? >>> >>> Ray, your comments and questions warrant a response.....in general, >>> profit >>> has made this country the most prosperous, with the highest standard of >>> living, in the history of mankind. Instead of a system, like the Soviet >>> Union and others that shared and share equally in scarcity, (which >>> increases >>> human suffering and a poverty standard of living), our Free Market >>> economy >>> has done just the opposite. And if we can reverse the direction that >>> Mr. >>> Obama has pointed us in, we will continue to see opportunities for those >>> who >>> want to work hard and improve their lot in life. >>> >>> I am much more concerned about Big Brother telling us what we can or >>> cannot >>> be treated for. I've seen the quotes, and the Panels of Experts that >>> will >>> eventually be formed under ObamaCare will have the power to deem an >>> individual unfit for further treatment, or a specific treatment, (based >>> on >>> economic concerns, i.e., what's the cost/benefit factor.) Obama has >>> mentioned the fact that the rising cost of Care is directly related to >>> the >>> increased numbers of the Senior population and the expensive treatment >>> for >>> serious illnesses common to them. Denying treatment is going to be a >>> major >>> cost-cutting feature of OBC.....this concept used to be" Unthinkable", >>> but >>> has become "Thinkable", soon to be "Acceptable".....all done for the >>> "common >>> good". >>> >>> November, for me is a "no-brainer"....:):) >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rayilyn Brown >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:57 PM >>> To: [log in to unmask] >>> Subject: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? >>> >>> I just heard Romney’s address to the NRA. he said Obama is destroying >>> our >>> economic, religious and personal freedom (to choose our own health >>> care), >>> and the constitution . The Declaration of Independence god-given >>> rights >>> was also cited. >>> >>> What kind of a life does one have with Parkinson’s? >>> >>> Is a cure going to come from the free market which sees no profit in a >>> cure, the churches, or the NRA? >>> >>> Can someone tell me why profit has to be the foundation of our health >>> care? >>> >>> WHAT A TERRIBLE SHAME IT WOULD BE IF PROSAVIN TURNED OUT TO BE A CURE >>> FOR >>> PD, BUT WAS NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH FOR THE “JOB CREATORS”!! >>> >>> Please, I beg you, don’t return us to the past. >>> >>> Ray >>> Rayilyn Brown >>> Past Director AZNPF >>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: >> mailto:[log in to unmask] >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn