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Confusion will be my epitaph! (King Crimson) Tell you what, if you want my opinion, ask me. Rick -----Original Message----- From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of A Phillips Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:20 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Info vs. Opinion no, you put your opinions in - if someone can't keep their temper that's their problem. > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:44:37 -0700 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Info vs. Opinion > To: [log in to unmask] > > I'll try harder to keep my opinion out of my posts.. I thought the > Myths and Facts posting was a good one for info although some would > disagree. I still would like to see the "death panels" for over 70 > year olds quotes in Obamacare. I can't find it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick McGirr > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:06 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? > > Fair enough. I'm staying, but will keep my input as gentle as > possible. I've heard it enough times. Political discussion is not appropriate. Ok. > > Rick McGirr > > -----Original Message----- > From: Parkinson's Information Exchange Network > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Ryan > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:22 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? > > Please don't misunderstand what I've written, Dave. I also love to > banter with the opposition about political issues and do so on a very > regular basis. However, this forum is not the place because too many > people are already frustrated by the burden of PD. There are other PD > lists where this kind of discussion would be welcome. I've been here > since 1995 or so I've seen a lot of disagreement in a variety of > right/left political discussions. It has only led to people leaving. > Since I believe that the purpose of the list is to inform the > participants about old and new therapies I believe a politics should be left out of the mix. > ---------- > Mary Ann > > > > > Mary Ann: > > > > Well stated, and It's obvious that that my comments are not really > > welcomed in this forum....I have not initiated the subject matter, > > but have felt that, if someone else has, that I had an obligation or > > right to present my views. I don't want to frustrate or cause any problems for > > those on this site. I am one of the few more fortunate pd patients in > > that I am still functioning fairly well, and the symptoms in many > > areas have actually regressed to some extent. > > > > My response to the above question has, (as is usually the case) > > brought further posts that I consider political, but fair game in > > this forum....however, I am going to take Tony's advise and "take my > > Politics elsewhere". The question is, Tony, does that include > > everyone, or just conservatives like me? > > > > I've been a member of this austere group for a couple years, and > > have enjoyed the robust jousting with my liberal counter-parts. It > > has been most stimulating...but since I have been sent information > > from management on how to unsubscribe, I feel it is timely, and will > > do so after this post. > > > > Although we may be miles apart in our world views, we do have one > > thing in common, and my wife and I hope and pray every day that PD > > will be conquered and all will return to a more normal lifestyle. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mary Ann Ryan > > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:36 AM > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? > > > > Sigh!!!! To everyone who has addressed my post............. > > > > Who votes for any party or president because of a single issue?? > > There is so much more to Romney and Obama than health care - > > particularly when it comes to PD research? > > > > On one side we have a major change occurring in health care that, I > > promise you, will not be friendly to the people on this list. If > > you are over the age of 70 and have a chronic illness, there will be > > restrictions as to what therapies will be made available to you. > > Those changes in health care will occur because of Obama. > > > > If Romney is elected, the conservative approach to stem cell > > research will probably remain in place - but challenges to the > > proposed health care legislation will also occur. That will mean > > that limitations in treatment will not go forward, to the benefit of > > PWP and other chronic diseases.ly > > > > Pick your poison. > > > > Dave, Ray and Rick have consistently been for stem cell research and > > thus against the Republican party platform regarding pro-life issues. > > They have made that very clear. What is going to change? In the > > meantime, people who prefer to not engage in politics are going to > > want to leave the list because of the vitriol that always develops > > in these discussions. It has happened before. > > -------- > > Mary Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David McMurray" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:43 AM > > Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? > > > > > >> Mary Ann, I have promised not to initiate political debate, but > >> when it is introduced, should I not respond? I realize I most > >> likely am in the minority, (unless there is a "silent majority") :) > >> on this site. And at our age, the die, I'm sure is cast. But when > >> Ray or Nic post a question or a statement that crosses the line > >> into the political arena, that is when I attempt to express my > >> views on the subject. > >> > >> Dave > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Mary Ann Ryan > >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 6:42 AM > >> To: [log in to unmask] > >> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? > >> > >> It would be best to leave political discussions off this forum. No > >> one wins - and no one's mind is changed. > >> --------- > >> Mary Ann > >> > >> > >>> Hi David, > >>> > >>> and thanks for responding. I guess you fear Obama has death > >>> panels in store for us, right? So what do you suggest for health care? > >>> > >>> At one time in history feudalism was a "better" system. Capitalism > >>> and industralization definitely led to human progress; > >>> non-industial societies don't do very well. But is this the end > >>> of the line? The best we can do? I specifically asked why profit > >>> had to be a part of health care and you did not address that question. > >>> > >>> The defects of the "free market" system put us in this mess, not Mr. > >>> Obama. The repeal of the Glass-Seagall Act's ban on investment > >>> and commercial banking in one institution led to the financial breakdown. > >>> It had kept us safe since the 1930's > >>> > >>> I for one am tired of hearing about the superiority of the > >>> United States. For your information DBS was first done by a French doctor. > >>> ProSavin is only being done in the UK and France. > >>> > >>> I also think the big government vs. small government issue is a > >>> phony one. What matters is who is in the government not how big > >>> or small it is. For the past few decades Republicans have gotten > >>> control of many state governments. Witness the retrogressive, > >>> extremist legislation they are producing or attempting to produce, > >>> personhood laws, bans on collective bargaining, invasive vaginal > >>> exams, voter suppression, anti-abortion, stand your ground, etc. > >>> Talk about Big Brother!!!! > >>> > >>> These issues do affect people with Parkinson's and all diseases for that > >>> matter. We ignore them at our peril. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: David McMurray > >>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:26 PM > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>> Subject: Re: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? > >>> > >>> Ray, your comments and questions warrant a response.....in > >>> general, profit has made this country the most prosperous, with > >>> the highest standard of living, in the history of mankind. > >>> Instead of a system, like the Soviet Union and others that shared > >>> and share equally in scarcity, (which increases human suffering > >>> and a poverty standard of living), our Free Market economy has > >>> done just the opposite. And if we can reverse the direction that Mr. > >>> Obama has pointed us in, we will continue to see opportunities for > >>> those who want to work hard and improve their lot in life. > >>> > >>> I am much more concerned about Big Brother telling us what we can > >>> or cannot be treated for. I've seen the quotes, and the Panels of > >>> Experts that will eventually be formed under ObamaCare will have > >>> the power to deem an individual unfit for further treatment, or a > >>> specific treatment, (based on economic concerns, i.e., what's the > >>> cost/benefit factor.) Obama has mentioned the fact that the > >>> rising cost of Care is directly related to the increased numbers > >>> of the Senior population and the expensive treatment for serious > >>> illnesses common to them. Denying treatment is going to be a > >>> major cost-cutting feature of OBC.....this concept used to be" > >>> Unthinkable", but has become "Thinkable", soon to be > >>> "Acceptable".....all done for the "common good". > >>> > >>> November, for me is a "no-brainer"....:):) > >>> > >>> Dave > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Rayilyn Brown > >>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:57 PM > >>> To: [log in to unmask] > >>> Subject: WHAT W I LL YOU DO IN NOVEMBER? > >>> > >>> I just heard Romney's address to the NRA. he said Obama is > >>> destroying our economic, religious and personal freedom (to choose > >>> our own health care), > >>> and the constitution . The Declaration of Independence god-given > >>> rights > >>> was also cited. > >>> > >>> What kind of a life does one have with Parkinson's? > >>> > >>> Is a cure going to come from the free market which sees no profit > >>> in a cure, the churches, or the NRA? > >>> > >>> Can someone tell me why profit has to be the foundation of our > >>> health care? > >>> > >>> WHAT A TERRIBLE SHAME IT WOULD BE IF PROSAVIN TURNED OUT TO BE A > >>> CURE FOR PD, BUT WAS NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH FOR THE "JOB CREATORS"!! > >>> > >>> Please, I beg you, don't return us to the past. > >>> > >>> Ray > >>> Rayilyn Brown > >>> Past Director AZNPF > >>> Arizona Chapter National Parkinson Foundation > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> -- > >>> -- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> -- > >>> -- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> -- > >>> -- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >>> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >>> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -- > >> - To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> -- > >> - To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > >> mailto:[log in to unmask] > >> In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > > mailto:[log in to unmask] > > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: > mailto:[log in to unmask] > In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To sign-off Parkinsn send a message to: mailto:[log in to unmask] In the body of the message put: signoff parkinsn