Let me add my belated hoorays and agreements, Roger. Will this be the piece that finally persuades some people that student writing is not worse than ever and that the remedy is not More Grammar? Lord knows I've tried: http://www.cea-ace.ca/education-canada/article/web-exclusive-case-not-teaching-grammar http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/08/09/grammar-4eva-has-techspeak-made-time-honoured-language-skills-irrelevant-in-the-internet-age But the belief that grammar drills will improve not only students' writing but society in general may be a conviction beyond the reach of rational appeal. Sean Zwagerman Associate Professor and Undergraduate Chair Department of English Simon Fraser University 6141 AQ Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6 [log in to unmask] 778-782-4831 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Graves <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: University Affairs article on student writing A short piece i wrote for University Affairs on student writing came online today: http://www.universityaffairs.ca/Article.aspx?id=112086 The comment area at the bottom might be a good way to extend or elaborate this conversation. Roger Graves -- Roger Graves Director, Writing Across the Curriculum University of Alberta www.ualberta.ca/~graves1 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL-L command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] To view or search the list archives, go to https://listserv.utoronto.ca/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CASLL-L -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To leave the list, send a SIGNOFF CASLL-L command to [log in to unmask] or, if you experience difficulties, write to Russ Hunt at [log in to unmask] To view or search the list archives, go to https://listserv.utoronto.ca/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CASLL-L -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-