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Thanks for elaborating, Michelle. I think it would be pretty obvious if the medieval play being performed were a riff on the Wakefield* Noah* since the emphasis is on the actress who plays the Wife, so if it doesn't refer to the Wife spinning or to her physically fighting with Noah, then it's probably either Chester or just a generic* Noah*. The allegorical Deadly Sins that open the play within the play certainly isn't from Wakefield directly, though maybe indirectly inspired by Noah's opening speech that eventually talks about the Seven. Thanks especially for the links to earlier discussions of* The Amateurs*. Maybe the reviewers assume medieval drama is dull, humorless, and untheatrical because all they know is* Everyman*. Speaking of which, nearby* Washington and Lee* was going to have a production of* Everybody*, Branden Jacobs-Jenkins's update of* Everyman*, this month, but it's been canceled because of Covid-19. Too bad. It got mostly panned when it opened the Folger's season last Fall in both the* WaPo* and the* NYT*, but I still would like to have seen it and take my current medieval drama students. Alan B. On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:00 PM Michelle Markey Butler < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > I tried to find an answer to the question about whether the playwright is > responding to a specific Noah play. > > Harrison doesn't cite a specific play in either of the interviews I > found: > > https://www.slantmagazine.com/interviews/interview-playwright-jordan-harrison-on-the-amateurs-and-upcoming-log-cabin/ > > http://www.newnownext.com/aids-play-jordan-harrison-amateurs/03/2018/ > > There was mention of Chester in the panel discussion but I don't > necessarily think that was a definite statement so much as a suggestion. I > think a person would have to sit down with the script and compare to extant > Noah plays to tell for sure. > > I also run across some reviews of previous productions. They're > interesting not just for their assessment of this play but their implicit > assessment of medieval drama (taken as a given that it was boring and > without humor, for instance) > > http://www.curtainup.com/amateurs18.html > https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/27/theater/the-amateurs-review.html > > https://www.thewrap.com/amateurs-theater-review-jordan-harrisons-new-comedy-upends-conventions/ > > > > ____________________________________ > > Michelle Markey Butler > she/her/hers > michellemarkeybutler.com > facebook.com/michellemarkeybutler > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 7:28 PM Alan Baragona <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> I saw that in the Kazoo program, but I wouldn't get my hopes up about >> cancellation, which seems very likely to me. I wish I could be there if it >> does go on, but I can't. I'd like to hear her talk and share my own >> experience of the play with her. Meanwhile, if any of you haven't seen >> Yiimimangaliso (two <i's> after the Y if you're googling), you can get the >> DVD here: https://www.dvdempire.com/700039/mysteries-the-movie.html. >> >> Didn't know about that novel. Thanks. >> >> Alan B. >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:29 PM Michael Winkelman <[log in to unmask]> >> wrote: >> >>> My tuppence worth (2 footnotes really): >>> >>> 1) At the upcoming International Congress of Medieval Studies, hosted by >>> Western Michigan University in Kalamazoo, >>> panel 315 includes a talk on Yimmimangaliso: the Chester Mystery Cycle >>> in Post-Apartheid South Africa by Carla Neuss. >>> (Here's hoping the conference isn't cancelled due to covid-19.) >>> >>> 2) The novel *To Calais, in Ordinary Time*, by James Meeks (2019) is >>> set in southwest England in 1348, when the plague (and rumours of plague) >>> are beginning to spread. There is an episode involving a performance of >>> dramatized scenes from *The Romance of the Rose*. It's an interesting >>> book, in my opinion: something of an alternative to the Canterbury Tales, >>> and there is a profusion of Middle English throughout. >>> >>> ~Michael Winkelman >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* REED-L: Records of Early English Drama Discussion < >>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Alan Baragona < >>> [log in to unmask]> >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 7:20 PM >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >>> *Subject:* Re: [External] Modern play about medieval troupe performing >>> Noah >>> >>> Thanks, Michelle. This is very helpful. Of course, a play like this can >>> still be useful in teaching medieval drama by way of contrast--what's wrong >>> with it, what's modern in it, etc. Is it ever clear whether the Noah play >>> the medieval characters are performing is the Wakefield version, or is it >>> just a generic version of the Uxor? Contrasting the Wakefield Uxor as a >>> type of Eve who wants sit on the hill and spin to this modern >>> interpretation of her as a self-asserting individual would make for some >>> good discussion. >>> >>> Your insights about the problems with the flat staging of the medieval >>> scenes in contrast with the more dynamic modern ones reminds me of when >>> years ago Rick McDonald and a Theater Department colleague presented a >>> paper about team teaching Medieval Drama with an emphasis on performance, >>> then taking the class to London and seeing a production of* Everyman* >>> that was so flat, so staid, so academic, that it threatened to undo >>> everything they had taught in the semester. Luckily, Rick noticed an ad for >>> a production of the Chester mysteries in a warehouse turned theater, so >>> they took a chance and got tickets for their kids. It turned out to be >>> Yiimangaliso, and it saved the course. The following Spring, I was lucky >>> enough to be in London with cadets, and I saw that the production had moved >>> to the West End, so I got to see it for myself. First time I ever saw a >>> unanimous standing ovation in a London theater. When it came out on video, >>> I snapped it up and show it every time I teach the course. The students' >>> eyes get wide, and they see the potential for their own productions. >>> >>> Thank you again for all your good thoughts on this. >>> >>> Alan B. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 2:38 PM Michelle Markey Butler < >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> My two cents on *The Amateurs: * >>> >>> >>> One-sentence Assessment >>> >>> Medieval drama experts are more likely to be disappointed than excited >>> by this production. >>> >>> >>> >>> Synopsis of *The Amateurs* >>> >>> After the death of one of their company, a group of actors hopes to >>> impress their patron so much with their new production that he will invite >>> them to stay on, safe from the plague behind his castle walls. >>> >>> The actors rehearse their play, revealing interpersonal conflicts and >>> everyday concerns. One discovers she is pregnant, and not by the man who >>> would probably assume he is the father. Another mourns her brother, the >>> actor who died of the plague. The one who makes their props and effects >>> knows everyone else thinks he is stupid. A stranger joins their company >>> with his own secrets to guard. Finally, as they practice, the actor >>> playing Noah’s wife wonders *why* she is refusing to get on the ark. >>> What is her objection? What does she want instead? >>> >>> At this point, the play pauses. One actor steps out of his ‘medieval’ >>> costume and addresses the audience as the playwright, Jordan Harrison. He >>> explains why the playwright became interested in this moment, in Noah’s >>> wife’s refusal, seeing in her a connection to himself, her moment of >>> asserting her individuality reminding him of a similar moment in his own >>> life. A second actor (the one playing Hollis, who plays Noah’s wife), >>> joins him, and they posit (by means of other actors coming onstage with >>> sandwich board images of famous paintings), the role of art in >>> demonstrating/provoking the emergence of the individual. Finally, saying >>> he is ‘bringing the fourth wall back down,’ the playwright-actor steps back >>> into his ‘medieval’ costume and the original storyline resumes. >>> >>> In this part, another actor dies of the plague and the others struggle >>> to continue their performance, still hoping for their patron to offer them >>> refuge. He declines, however, and they face returning to the >>> increasingly-deadly wider world. >>> >>> >>> >>> Assessment >>> >>> I am an Olney Theatre season ticket holder and have been since 2011. >>> The current artistic director, Jason Loewith, has done outstanding work >>> here—innovative, intriguing, wonderful shows—including commissioning and >>> producing new, groundbreaking plays. >>> >>> But sometimes when you swing for the fences, you hit a pop fly. >>> >>> I’ve been both dreading and looking forward to *The Amateurs* since the >>> 2019-2020 season was announced. From the title, you can guess why. On the >>> one hand: A contemporary play set in a medieval acting troop is not >>> something you see every day. Or ever. I really wanted it to be >>> marvelous. On the other, referring to a group of people who make their >>> living as *actors* as ‘amateurs’ made me worry about how the play would >>> approach medieval drama. >>> >>> As it turned out, that concern was warranted. >>> >>> The play is set during the Black Death but works from the assumption >>> that the surviving later texts can be unproblematically transposed backward >>> in time. The play has the actors use a wagon to transport their gear—fair >>> enough—but also as a performance venue, not seeming to understand that >>> pageant wagons were used in particular places—York, Chester—not by >>> itinerant players. When enacting a pageant of the Seven Deadly Sins, the >>> actors used masks—good!—but wore plain black robes, which was disappointing >>> since we know medieval production invested in impressive costumes. >>> >>> The costumes were heavily influenced by the widespread modern >>> iconography of ‘the medieval': most pieces of clothing had ragged, >>> unhemmed edges. We can talk elsewhere about what cultural work this >>> symbolism is doing, since it has nothing to do with reality. When a single >>> shirt represents 80 hours of labor, care is taken to preserve garments, >>> including hemming raw edges to prevent fraying. I don’t hold this against >>> the production specifically, since it’s an issue we see often, but it tells >>> us the production employed the shortcut of that modern iconography rather >>> than researching medieval clothing. >>> >>> More troubling is the play’s attitude towards its medieval subject >>> matter. Bluntly, the play seems to employ medieval content and characters >>> to hammer home a point (the playwright’s theory about the emergence of the >>> idea of the individual), not because there is interest in the time period >>> itself. Nor does the play appear to consider the dramatic work its >>> characters engage in to be theater in the same way *it* is theater. >>> This was most telling in the handling of audience address. When the >>> medieval play-scenes addressed the audience, the result was flat (the night >>> I was there, the audience laughed at the Seven Deadlies), in large part >>> because the staging was flat. The Seven Deadlies were positioned at the >>> rear, as if on a proscenium arch stage, and hardly moved as they spoke. >>> The Noah scenes occurred partly on the wagon and partly on the ground, but >>> again, with little movement apart from (usually unsuccessful) handling of >>> stage effects (the dove falls when it should hover, the cloth scroll of >>> painted animals doesn’t budge when they try to crank it). But when the >>> actor speaks as the playwright, he uses the entirety of the stage, coming >>> close to the audience, leaning towards them. The production’s thumb is on >>> the scales, using the same technique but with staging choices that make the >>> contemporary use seem engaging but the medieval’s simplistic. >>> >>> The play’s message—the emergence of the individual from a period of >>> darkness—is a retread of something we have all heard about the Middle Ages, >>> to our frustration. Also frustrating is that *The Amateurs* is not >>> quite certain this *is* its central theme. The play makes a parallel >>> between the Black Death and AIDS, which could be a rewarding and >>> fascinating topic to explore, but leaves that connection underdeveloped. >>> The method by which *The Amateurs* delivers its homily upon the >>> emergence of the individual is also worth considering. The middle section, >>> in which the theory is presented in the voice of the playwright, is long, >>> resembling nothing so much as a TED talk. This doesn’t appear to bother >>> the *Washington Post* reviewer, but all three members of my viewing >>> party were independently annoyed about being told what we were supposed to >>> think rather than being shown persuasive scenes leading us to that >>> conclusion. >>> >>> *The Amateurs* isn’t a bad play, but it isn’t a good one either. There >>> is promise here, and hopefully Harrison will put the script through another >>> round of workshopping that will help that promise develop. If so, I hope >>> he decides to take the Middle Ages and medieval drama seriously for their >>> own sake, not just for the argument he wants to make from them. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Michelle Butler >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> Michelle Markey Butler >>> she/her/hers >>> michellemarkeybutler.com >>> facebook.com/michellemarkeybutler >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:03 AM Alan Baragona <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for Theresa’s discussion. I assume she’s on the listserv, because >>> I don’t have her personal e-mail address and wanted to send it The message >>> to her. >>> >>> I would love to hear your comments, especially on 1) whether its version >>> of the Noah play is close at all to the Towneley play and 2) what the >>> playwright’s stand-in opines about the connection between medieval plays >>> and the rise of individualism. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Michelle Markey Butler < >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I saw it on Friday. I can share observations, if you like. >>> >>> Btw Theresa Colletti participated in a panel discussion about making >>> theater on the road, organized by Olney Theatre in connection to the >>> production, and there's a video of the discussion on the theater's Facebook >>> page: https://www.facebook.com/142692869075359/videos/200051651238352/ >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Michelle Butler >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> Michelle Markey Butler >>> she/her/hers >>> michellemarkeybutler.com >>> facebook.com/michellemarkeybutler >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 8:05 AM Twycross, Meg < >>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>> WOMAN playing Noah's wife? >>> >>> Meg >>> >>> Professor Emeritus of English Medieval Studies, >>> >>> Department of English and Creative Writing, >>> >>> Lancaster University, >>> >>> LANCASTER LA1 4YD >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* REED-L: Records of Early English Drama Discussion < >>> [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Alan Baragona < >>> [log in to unmask]> >>> *Sent:* 11 March 2020 02:51 >>> *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> >>> *Subject:* [External] Modern play about medieval troupe performing Noah >>> >>> >>> *This email originated outside the University. Check before clicking >>> links or attachments.* >>> Today’s print version of *The Washington Post* has a review of a play >>> by Jordan Harrison call *The Amateurs*, which premiered in 2018. It's >>> about a traveling troupe of medieval players who are performing a Noah play >>> in a time of plague, especially focusing on the woman who is playing Noah's >>> wife. Do any of you know of it? First I've heard of the play or of the >>> playwright. It sounds a bit reminiscent of the players in *The Seventh >>> Seal*, and I'm a little surprised the review doesn't mention it. In >>> earlier years, my wife and I would have jumped on I-81 and gone up to D.C. >>> to see it, but between the coronavirus and other things, there's no way we >>> can get there before it closes on April 5. But I just like knowing this >>> play exists, and I've preordered the volume of Harrison's plays that is >>> coming out in July and will include it. >>> >>> I don’t know that the Noah play being performed by the troupe is the >>> Wakefield Master’s *Noah* or, more likely given the opening as >>> described in the review, is loosely based on it, but if either is the case, >>> it makes a nice irony that the actor who plays the character who plays the >>> wife is named “Townley,” just one <e> off! >>> >>> For those of you who subscribe to the Post but may have missed the >>> review, here is the link. >>> >>> >>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/theater_dance/coronavirus-looms-over-this-play-set-during-a-plague-but-the-amateurs-speaks-to-timeless-concerns/2020/03/09/b06229a2-620f-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html >>> <https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fentertainment%2Ftheater_dance%2Fcoronavirus-looms-over-this-play-set-during-a-plague-but-the-amateurs-speaks-to-timeless-concerns%2F2020%2F03%2F09%2Fb06229a2-620f-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html&data=02%7C01%7Cm.twycross%40lancaster.ac.uk%7C1533b90b85774451fac808d7c567369a%7C9c9bcd11977a4e9ca9a0bc734090164a%7C1%7C1%7C637194919419841278&sdata=Wa6kyVg47IkAGswszgYvYZoz3CbI02W3dRDWKsWrE2g%3D&reserved=0> >>> Alan Baragona >>> >>>