I am sorry to be so long about forwarding this. After our system's difficulties of last week, I confess I simply forgot.... If you have an interest in this USENET RFD, please direct your comments to Mark at the address below. AAY ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 02:13:51 EST From: Mark Kupferman <[log in to unmask]> To: Multiple recipients of list PERFORM <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Revised RFD - rec.arts.theatre.* - - - - - - FORWARD - - - - - - After much discussion and comments of the creation of the newsgroup rec.arts.theatre.musicals, it has been generally acknowledged that, rather than merely creating a sub group, it might be more elegant and benficial to create a hierchy. This new RFD reflects those changes. This is the formal Request For Discussion that calls for the creation of four groups and the elimination of two groups, with the ultimate intent of consolidating all of the theatre related groups into one hierchy. The groups that would be created would be rec.arts.theatre. plays, rec.arts.theatre.musicals, rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft, and rec.arts.theatre.misc. All of these groups would be unmoderated. - - - - - - NAMES - - - - - - To be created: rec.arts.theatre.musicals rec.arts.theatre.plays rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft rec.arts.theatre.misc To be superceded (eliminated, if you will) rec.arts.theatre alt.stagecraft - - - - - - CHARTER - - - - - - Some people really believe theatre is dying. After all, hasn't it been overrun by television, movies, and virtual reality? Aren't those theatres that still exist struggling year in and year out to fill the seats? Why on Earth would anyone believe that there was enough interest in the theatre to dedicate at least FOUR newsgroups to discussion of the theatre? Has someone gone INSANE? Theatre isn't dying. Not even close. If you check out the state of theatre over the last three thousand years, you'll notice that theatre is actually celebrating a kind of rennesance of it's own. There are thousands and thousands of theatres all over the world! There are regional theatres, Broadway theatres, summerstock theatres, community theatres, college theatres, high school theatres, dinner theatres... Never in this century has there been as many theatres or as many people interested in theatre as there are today. Never has there been so many people who actually hold college degrees in theatre. The point is, theater today is very popular, and people like to discuss it. And they do. As suprising as it might sound, there is a lot of theatre related traffic on the internet--both in currently existing newsgroups and in a variety of mailing lists. If you do a Veronica search of the word theatre you'll fill up the buffer, there are so many references. As more and more people become involved in the internet and Usenet, they're looking for a place to discuss and learn about things that they do off the net. - - - - - - rec.arts.theatre.musicals - - - - - - In the book _Broadway_, Brook Atkinson says "From a scholarly point of view, the musical show may be more legitimate then the spoken drama. If the art of theater began with trbial festivals, with singing, dancing, pantomime, mummery, and celebration in primative times, the musical show retains more of the original ingredients and spirit than the spoken drama. What the spoken drama has gained in form and mind, it has lost in scope and variety." (1) Ask anyone you meet on the street, and chances are they've heard of _Cats_, _Phantom_of_the_Opera_, _Oklahoma!, _Hair!_, _A_Chorus_Line_, and any of the other hundreds of musicals that get revived time after time throughout the world. Musicals such as _Falsettos_ and _Miss Saigon_ have helped us to deal with contemporary issues in a way not possible in any other medium, while other shows such as _Forever_Plaid have taken us back to the music of our youth. In all cases, the spirited song from the stage seems to bear a magical quality that sets our toes tapping, our lips moving, and our hearts free. Rec.arts.theatre.musicals is a new newsgroup intended to provide a home for everyone to share their experience, ideas, thoughts, and comments about musicals. It is a place to talk about musicals being performed on Broadway, musicals being performed in community theaters, musicals performed in college theaters, and musicals being performed in community theaters. Rec.arts.theatre.musicals is a place to discuss subsidiary issues related to musical theater, such as cast albums and televised performances. It is a place to talk about the actors you loved in _______ and the actors you hated in __________. It is a place to share gossip and tidbits about upcoming performances and a place to ask questions about what musicals are playing where. It is a place to ask about ticket prices. - - - - - - rec.arts.theatre.plays - - - - - - While musicals and operas seem to have captured part of the limelight for the last few hundred years, plays have been delighting audiences since thousands of years ago. Whether you're a fan of the tragedies performed at the City Dionysus in 534 bc, Roman fabula togatas of 150 bc, Sanskrit dramas of the fourth century A.D., liturgical dramas of the early middle ages, religious cycles of the fourteenth century, morality plays of the sixteenth century, neoclassical theatre, naturalistic theatre, or contemporary theatre, rec.arts.theatre.plays is the place to bring to light all of your dramaturgical questions and comments. - - - - - - rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft - - - - - - It was once said that the only thing you need for theatre is some actors and an audience, but the fact is we enjoy performances a lot more when there is some kind of atmosphere and context. We've grown used to seeing magic happen on the stage, but what it takes to create that magic is a lot of technical knowledge that can only serve the world better if it is distributed. - - - - - - rec.arts.theatre.misc - - - - - - What is the purpose of theatre? What purpose is theatre going to serve in the twenty first century? Does theatre need to serve a function? What is appropriate dress to wear to the theatre? How does one go about finding a theatre? How does one spell theatre/er? There are a lot of questions that clearly don't fall into the discussion of plays, the discussion of musicals, or the discussion of stagecraft. Rec.arts.theatre.misc is a new group intended to cover all of these issues including but not limited to topics such as: acting, directing, theatre management, design, and stage management. - - - - - - RULES - - - - - - ALL FOUR GROUPS ARE UNMODERATED All four newsgroups will be unmoderated, which means anyone is free to post messages to the newsgroup. All criticism ought to be constructive and polite, and all messages ought to be compatable with generally accepted nettiquite. Personal messages in the newsgroup is discouraged, although not so that it limits free and unencumbered discussion. CROSSPOSTING WITHIN REC.ARTS.THEATRE.* Like other hierchies, all of the newsgroups within the r.a.t.* are related, yet at the same time we have to acknowledge that they are seperate groups and that there will be a tendency to cross-post announcements between the groups. However, it is also acknowledged that anyone capable of reading one of the four groups will most likely know about and have access to the other groups in the hierchy. Therefore, we can logically conclude that if someone isn't subscribed to all four groups it is for a reason, and not a mischance. The point is this: Consistant crossposting between all four newsgroups ultimately defeats the purpose of having seperate newsgroups.if you have a message that is truly related to more than one of the topics, such as a play with a lot of music or if you are talking about how the tire rises in the Broadway production of _Cats_, then by all means users are encouraged to cross-post their message to more than one group. However, just because you *really* need to know who wrote the play _Chryseide_and_Arimand_ doesn't mean you ought to post the message to rec.arts.theatre.stagecraft. Posters are asked to use their own judgement regarding what ought to be discussed in more than one group. USE OF FOLLOWUP-TO: ENCOURANGED WHEN CROSSPOSTING If you ARE going to crosspost between the four groups, it is recommended that you include a "Followup-To:" expression in the header of your message, which will ultimately point traffic towards one group. The justification for this is because the assumption is once again made that people will tend to read all four of the groups and that having the same thread appear in two, three or four newsgroups will ultimately prove annoying. Under this method, people who do not read all four groups will at least know the discussion is taking place and will have the option of engaging in that discussion by joining whichever group the topic is being followed up to. This will hopefully eliminate superfluous net traffic. - - - - - - BACKGROUND AND JUSTIFICATION- - - - - - WHY SUPERCEDE REC.ARTS.THEATRE WITH REC.ARTS.THEATRE.*? For a long time it has been rightly maintained that perhaps there wasn't enough activity in rec.arts.theatre to justify the creation of an entire hierchy. If it works, why take the risk of breaking it? But as USENET has expanded and as more and more people are posting messages, many of the readers began to acknowledge that perhaps it was time to subdivide discussion into more managable chunks. This isn't about "getting rid of" a particular group any more than it is about keeping some other group. Rather, it is about making the structure of the group match the needs of the readers. It has been suggested, for example, that people use kill files to eliminate unwanted discussion. But the fact is, unwanted discussion isn't the problem. It's not that people aren't interested in a certain type of message--it's just that people aren't interested in discussing apples an oranges at the same time. I may not want to read about musicals when I'm concentrating on techincally related messages or issues in the theatre, but I will want to read about them before or after. I certainly don't want to eliminate them. It has also been suggested that prefixes be used to seperate different kinds of messages, bothe for the purposes of kill files and for the sake of categorizing messages. This is a stopgap measure at best. First of all, people simply don't care enough to memorize a list of approved prefixes. Second, people don't care enough to use prefixes. Maybe some do, but not enough to solve the problem. Plus, I don't think anyone wants to feel that they need to put special codes at the beginning of each of their messages--most people just want to post. Finally, prefixes have already been tried. It didn't work. People didn't use them. While it is an excellent idea, it just doesn't seem to work well enough in rec.arts.theatre to solve the problem. As up to 100 message a day appear in rec.arts.theatre, it gets harder and harder to keep up. Many people have abandoned the newsgroup completely in favor of mailing lists that are more focused than rec.arts.theatre, which ultimately limits the propigation of their thoughts and comments when in fact they could be sharing with the entire net. A rec.arts.theatre hierchy will solve many of these issues while at the same time setting precident for the eventual expansion of the group as a whole. Should any topic, such as acting for example, be popular to warrent it's own topic, it will ultimately be easy to add it within the rec.arts.theatre hierchy. In the end, the hierchy proposal is the result of a lot of discussion between many of the contributors to rec.arts.theatre. WHY SUPERCEDE ALT.STAGECRAFT WITH REC.ARTS.THEATRE.STAGECRAFT? Stagecraft and technical production is a legitimate part of the theater. It is an important part of the theater. Theater today would not be the same without it. The fact is, an awful lot of sites don't receive alt.*, and a lot of people interested in theater can only hear about technical discussion from friends who happen to have access. Considering rapid expansion in all areas of theatrical discussion on the internet, perhaps it is now time for stagecraft to assume it's legitimate place in the Usenet hierchy, where it will be able to serve the most good to the most people. - - - - - - REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) - - - - - - This RFD will be sent to the following newgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.arts.theatre rec.arts.dance rec.music.misc alt.stagecraft This RFD will be sent to the following mailing lists: theatre The theatre discussion list perform-l Performance Studies List ARTMGT-l Arts Management Discussion Group Stagecraft Stagecraft discussion list Comedia A discussion of Hispanic Classic Theater PERFORM Medieval Performing Arts Followups will be directed to news.groups, as per USENET guidelines. If you do not have access to Usenet, comments may be sent to [log in to unmask] ________________________________________________________________________ Mark Kupferman [log in to unmask] Yale School of Drama Yale Repertory Theatre