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I enjoyed this exchange very much. Thanks to Marcy and Anne. I also want to ask for help from anyone out there who can give me some information that will help me with a presentation I'm scheduled to give on Friday the 17th (am) to our Senate Committee on Writing. They are mainly doubters on just about everything concerning students. and I'm supposed to tell them about writing policies in North American Univeristies . . . in 10 miutes. I have of course been making excellent use of Roger Graves's book and the one edited by Cathy Schreyer and Laurence Steven. Thanks to you three and all the others who made these publications available. I have a couple of questions tho,partly to satisfy my own curiosity and partly because I hope my 10 mins in the sun or firing line will lead to other opportunities to discuss these issues here. 1. does anyone know of any study that will help support the idea that teachers of writing do a better job, on the whole ,if they have some training in writing pedagogy? 2. Roger mentions in his book that there were,at the time of his study, only 4 of the 54 English Univs in Canada that had WAC programs..well he actually says that require students to take "writing -intensive" courses. I ssume these were York and Laurentian, and maybe Waterloo? What others are there in Canada? I'd especially like to know if there are any that have a Writing Program Administrator who co-ordinates the whole WACc or WID program, who is a tenured or tenure -track faculty member. That's the model I'd like to see here. 3. Perhaps this question should go directly to Doug Brent,but I can't put my hand on his e-mail address so you are all getting it. One member of this committee will I expect tell us that what we need at MUN is what was done at Calgary 20 years ago. I know that things have changed a lot, and would love even a couple of sentences about why you changed and what you like better about what you are doing now. 4. Last question: who besides SFU,UBC, McGill and Waterloo (and Laurentian ?) could be said to have grad programs in Rhetoric/comp? I'm sure I should have some of this info here, but I can't put my hand or memory on any of it just now. Thanks for any help. Phyllis Artiss