Laurence Stevens' recent posting about demonizers of writing competency tests is a "shoe" which looks like it would just about fit me, and this makes me uncomfortable enough to want to respond a little. Laurence has written well about the positive functions of the writing test at Laurentian, and I probably should have learned more from reading him in the past than my last posting indicates. I don't, however, cling to all the false oppositions that he mentions. I don't think that competency tests have nothing to do with writing, though I do think that time-limited tests which draw only on the general knowledge that students have at the point that they sit down in the examination room have little to do with either writing in the disciplines ("gown") or with the kinds of writing students do in the world after they graduate ("town"). It's not impossible to construct competency tests which aren't time limited and which allow students to research/redraft etc. In fact, the Program for Students with Learning Disabilities incoming students at York, has used a 3 day "test" to do just this. But this test is incredibly consumptive of time and energy. I also don't think that competency tests need focus on a narrow enforcement of superficial rules--some may, but the ones I'm familiar with use holistic scoring and at least officially are more concerned with students communicative abilities. My objection to competency testing programs is that you just don't learn enough from them to justify the expense--given limited resources I'd rather see these resources used elsewhere and in other ways. James -- James Brown Assistant Secretary of the University York University Secretariat S883 Ross 736-5012 [log in to unmask]