I like Doug's house analogy: > Let me put it another way. Most students, being intelligent human > beings, don't take process-for-process-sake very seriously unless they > can see what it is they're working towards, however dimly. There's a > real difference between learning to build a house by working with > lumberand nails in the abstract, and learning by building a house, even > if it turns out to be a shack that the first stroing wind will blow > down. The "real" learning is both cases is in getting the feel of the > wood, making mistakes and getting out of them, learning the relationship > between an idea in the head and what some wood really looks like when cut > and nailed together. But the sense of a house at the end of it is the > force that drives the process along, gives you something to get up in the > morning for. I agree that writers need to feel that their work is going somewhere, that it has a purpose, and that it will have an end. The product necessarily drives the process and gives it focus. I think I'd want to put the end of the process a little further along than completing the house (or text), though. I'd want people to have the experience of living in the house they built -- of discovering that if you get the flashing on the roof wrong, say, that the roof is going to leak. I want my students to live with the reactions their words have on readers -- to discover that if they're not careful about the way they word things, they're going to make people angry or be taken for a crackpot. I want housebuilders to say, "_Next_ time I build a house I'm going to do _that_ differently"; I want my students to say, "_Next_ time I write a paper I'm going to . . ." And I want both of them to mean it. So this means I point students toward the end product _they_ can see, while all the while knowing about and planning for that other, further step in the process. That reader reaction, I've found, teaches them more than I ever could. Marcy Marcy Bauman Writing Program University of Michigan-Dearborn 4901 Evergreen Rd. Dearborn, MI 48128 email: [log in to unmask]