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John, Thanks very much for finding that copy of the Swedish article about NADH. I had intended to find it eventually myself. I do think it's good to explore all possible all info available on a subject so that one can determine for oneself what's the best for oneself and/or get those who've got the relevant backgrounds thinking too annd get them interested enough to also explore it further. Especially after I read a doctor responding to a patient's letter about the use of Ayurvedic for PD, who in his response, like the patient had, also spelled it wrong and then proceeded to discount it as a cure. First of all, he's got no "cure" either (and they make an EXTREME effort to remind us of this fact in all the gloom & doom literature on the subject) and second, he obviously didn't know much about Ayurvedic, independent of its actual effectiveness, cuz he couldn't even spell it. It turns out that the NIH Office of Alternative Medicine is/was studying it related to PD and the actual treatment involves a bean which contains dopamine (someone recently posted an article related to the topic of dopamine in fava beans, etc.). Whether this treatment with beans, or with NADH, or whatever, is truly effective in the end, doesn't excuse doctors' sometimes almost arrogant (too strong?) discounting of these other methods, especially when they're completely ignorant of them. Many drugs that go to testing also ultimately prove ineffective, or worse, cause other damage. The only way to know how something will perform is to give it a try. Thus having said all this, I wan't to say that I'm not disagreeing with John's comments about Dr. Atkins "salesmanship" (I have found a bit of that in his books too). His writing style may be a bit gung-ho, but he does in his books have alot of good ideas, including pushing the AMA and the government for more attention to alternative methods. Also, like others involved in alternative medicine, he makes the point that alternative treatments, including such simple things as prevention and diet, are largely ignored, cuz there's no money in them. Talk about vested interests - If you can't patent an orange for its vitamin C content, or an ancient herb for its therapeutic benefits, then why would a health and medical research system based on profit ever want to promote alternative treatments (or even staying healthy in the first place)? Drug companies advertise big time and the big $$$ they feed into research willl naturally color things a bit in their favor. What researcher, who is dependent on funding from drug companies, would look into something in which there is no real method of funding it and no way to patent any of the results? They make more money off us by emphasizing "sick" care (once things are already bad), rather than emphasizing "wellness" or "prevention." Society also resists addressing the source of the problem, as in the case of toxic chemcials, etc., because the impacts to our society and lifestyle, as well as all the lawsuits, are just too daunting to consider. I've digressed a bit here, and again I don't necessarily disagree with John's comments, nor do I accept all the anti-establishment arguments of the "alternatives." I do think it's important, however, for all of us to do our own research and to help each other find ALL pertinent info and innundate those within the "establishment" with all viewpoints and arguments. That's the only way, I believe, we'll ever find a true "cure" and not just band-aids. It bothers me that a large portion of medicine only seems concerned with treating me once I'm incapacitated. I don't want to ever reach that stage. I've still got a career and hopefully marriage and family to look forward to, and lest we forget, simply enjoying my life, however it goes. I really would enjoy it more if I could maintain my current state of health, even tho' it's not perfect. I don't view PD as the "enemy" to be defeated, the "enemy" is whatever's causing this. I view my pd as a teacher, tho' not always fair, and I intend to learn all that it offers. I also want the "establishment" and the patients to start focusing on how to "live" and I mean "LIVE" with this disease, rather than "dying" from it. I personally intend to use PD to my advantage and have a more rewarding life with it than I would've without it. Besides, that's the only way I know to stay sane in the midst of all this chaos. Anyway, Thanks again John for contributing that info and for all your other efforts in forwarding info to us. I find it all very interesting and useful. Wendy