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To Donald Stokes and others with similar interests. We join with others in saying welcome. Being your senior by about three years, coming up on 83 this fall, I can appreciate your concern about urinary incontinence. however, I question your neurologist and the urologists who give you little hope for relief. One of our physicians suggested I concentrate regularly on momentarily closing off the stream by costricting the siphincter muscle from the bladder. This apparently was intended to strengthen that muscle and I believe it has benefited me. From my experience I would suggest giving the method a try for a period of time. Good luck, Lee