Rick, it's not a guy thing any more. Neither is guy, if it comes to that ("hey, you guys!" hasn't been gendered since early on in Sesame Street) > When did it become commonplace to apply the word WIMP to women? > My sense is about ten or fifteen years ago--that before that mostly > only men were called wimps. I didn't notice it until a _lot_ more recently than that. But other trans-gendering of gender-specific words ("Bitch," for instance; "slut" probably goes back to Bill Murray in the film, can't remember the name, where Dustin Hoffman played a woman) has been going on about that long, so I may have just missed it. But here's an interesting fact: neither my old 7th new Collegiate (1963) nor my New World (1964) list "wimp" _at all_. My _new_ New World, however (1968), lists it without any sense of gender: "a weak, ineffectual, or insipid person." No etymology offered. I'm doubtful of the "wimple" derivation, because "wimp" didn't come into currency until _long_ after anyone saw or talked about wimples. (And what about "rung upon the rein of a wimpling wing in his ecstasy"? Was Hopkins just faking it, there?) Anybody got a good slang dictionary to hand? -- Russ __|~_ Russell A. Hunt __|~_)_ __)_|~_ HOMEPAGE: www.StThomasU Department of English )_ __)_|_)__ __) .ca/Faculty/hunt.htm St. Thomas University | )____) | EMAIL: [log in to unmask] Fredericton, New Brunswick___|____|____|____/ FAX: (506) 450-9615 E3B 5G3 CANADA \ / PHONE: (506) 363-3891 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~