Doug, Two points: You wrote, "Although this assignment >seems misguided, it doesn't seem all that dumb in general to give >students some tools for doing this; otherwise they are locked into just >skimming, and in doing so oftem mistake the meaning of passages >completely. (Yeah, I know there's no "right" meaning of any passage, but >as the pig in the Boynton cartoon said, "There's no such thing as a wrong >answer, but if there were, that certainly would have been it. Some >readings just don't connect with the text that has generated them.) > Now, I have some difficulty with using the tool metaphor as it is used here. The techniques of analysis that this discussion suggests might be helpful do not operate in a neutral environment; they are very much subject to the vagaries of context: who is doing what and why. The only constant is the physical text; though, even that as it is placed in different situations, becomes a slightly different creature. When you speak of "giving tools," I wonder how we hand over these tools, as thoug h we're passing on something like a wrench or even computer software or a calculator. This whole business of equipping (metaphorically) our students for demands to come remains problematical for me. I call it the next world syndrome: do this even if doesn't seem relevant at this time; it will be something you need when you get out there. It may seem simpli stic, but I think they'll learn to read nineteenth century prose by reading it often, and making the effort to do so because for some reas- on it matters to them. We simply need to create the kinds of contexts where the mattering happens. And that's what we need to work on. Sometimes, I am not sure whether we are offering answers to questions our students have never really asked. I think they first need to have appropriated the question/s. The second point: You wrote >If we don't teach students how to read 19th c prose, will they be forever >unable to read anything written before 1985? Why 1985? But no matter. We need to think along a longer timescale than the frame offered by their collegial or school lives. Most of us, I be- lieve, haven't looked at Carlyle, or Ruskin, or Mill except by accident or second hand as some relevant quotation in a larger text. I mean, haven't looked since our university days. When and if I ever need to read Mill again (and I am not negating the value of what I have missed by not having read him in the original over a 30-year gap), I shall have to learn to read him all over again (a process of plodding famil- iarization) and then I shall read him because I have a purpose and goal, and it's my own purpose and goal. Oh, I sound so didactically 19th C. Glad you raised the question. Patrick Dias Faculty of Education McGill University 3700 McTavish Street Montreal, QC Canada H3A 1Y2 Telephone: (514) 398-6960 (work) 626-3605 (home) FAX (514) 398-4529 E-Mail: [log in to unmask]