Seamus, Maybe a bit of Descartian, "I think therefore I am," logic is in order. How do you know that all that we are experiancing isn't a hallucination? Suppose our universe is really nothing more than the space inside a shoebox and the stars at night are the air holes placed in the box. How do we prove differently? Can a goldfish define the limits if its bowl? Jeff Jones [log in to unmask] <---- snip ----> >I personally would love hallucinations as a major effect or as a side = >effect - but I just don't get that lucky!! > >Seamus >[log in to unmask] > >