Today's in-box contains contributions from both Elza Tiner and James Cummings. Here I respond only to the former. Elza Tiner has taken an imaginative tack in countering my earlier comments. She points out a connection between the financers and recorders of times past, who were in large measure responsible for producing the records we now search as part of our scholarly activity, and the modern funders and publishers I propose to exclude from a theoretical discussion of the parameters of our discipline. This is a nicely insightful yoking, and I commend it even as I distrust its entailments. Let me offer only a single instance by way of demur. In the 1590s Thomas Harridance, the parish clerk at St Botolph's Aldgate, was instructed by his parson Robert Hayes (who was following his own bishop's instructions) to keep the parish registers in the usual way; minimal entries for christenings, marriages, burials. Harridance complied, as indeed he should have; but on his own, on the side, he kept a series of daybooks containing much fuller information about the events recorded so barely in the registers. From his daybooks we learn where people lived, what their trades were, what the strange circumstances of their marrying or their dying were, and so on. Harridance, in other words, had a vision of the parameters of his vocation that differed from the one given him by his superiors, his funders. I know of no scholar using the records of this parish who doesn't find Harridance's daybooks far more useful and informative than the registers he so correctly kept. So while Elza Tiner is quite right to remind us that funders and publishers are our modern day equivalent of patrons, I don't believe it follows that in our retrieval and employment of earlier records we must adopt our own patrons' notions of how we ought to conceive of such work. The role of the older patrons in enabling the production and preservation of records doesn't seem to me cognate with the role of publishers in our latter-day recovery and use of those records. Our modern-day patrons will make it quite clear to us which aspects of our work they will support; that's their appropriate role as patrons. It's equally incumbent on us to ask of ourselves (as Harridance presumably did) if the dimensions of their supportiveness constitute an adequate or sufficient description of the limits of our research field and its interests. A final note. Inspired by James Cummings's questions, I think Elza Tiner and I have between us sketched out a pair of defensible but non-congruent positions on this issue. There's room in this discussion for both our positions, and for others as well. Whether the general subject could be, as she suggests, "a fascinating book-length study" is beyond my ability to predict, but I have found our exchanges most useful, and hope others will add their own thoughts. _______________________________________________________________________ William Ingram, English Dept, Univ of Michigan, Ann Arbor MI 48109-1045 e-mail: [log in to unmask] fax (departmental): 313 763 3128 -----------------------------------------------------------------------