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MRS VIRGINIA CHRISTIANSEN <[log in to unmask]> wrote: <<For severe leg cramps, I had asked the listserver good people re quinine hoping some of you would know where I could get it. Doctors had said it would help cramps but was no longer available. Some of you responded and it was very helpful. I even found some quinine still on the shelf of a local pharmacy., And there is another version available. However, it turns out my husband has a heart irregular beat for which he takes quinaglute, (sp?.) which is quinine based and because too much quinine could be dangerous, he should not take quinine. One of you special people mentioned a cream which could be helpful. You explained very carefully that one should be careful, etc. It creates heat and one should wash carefully after using so as not to touch sensitive parts of your body. I wrote to the address given. I received a phone call with an 800 number to call. They were so helpful. To make a long story short, we tried it and it indeed helps. He did get a cortizone shot which helped. but the cream seems to shorten the time of the pain from the cramps. Yes, I am grateful and feel bad I con't have the name of the original person who posted this. My husband hopes to get two more cortizone shots and I pray they help him. However, in the meantime this cream does seem to help. This is why I posted the thanks. The cream is listed for arthritis (which I have). He had an MRI which showed no problem requiring surgery, but he was still suffering greatly (me too) because he would wake up with severe leg cramps up and down his left leg. Sleep was almost impossible. Also, he found that upon taking a shower the heat of the shower seemed to re-activate the heat of the cream. I am very cautious and not wanting to over use a treatment. My husband now plans to use a warm wash cloth to re-activate the heat of the cream. The 800 number to call is 1 800 800 5710>> Nancy Walker also wrote: <<What is the name of this cream? Thanks [log in to unmask]>> I had written earlier: <<<Steven E. Mayer, Ph.D. wrote: <<There is at least one otc agent that provdides relief from superficial thigh leg pain in PD (Dr.'S Cream, DABAT, P.O. Box 11783, Nashville, TN 37211. Its active principle is capsaicin. Thoroughly wash any part of the body that may have had contact with lotion. It produces a very but temporary burn-like pain.>> I am of the opinion that dystonic foot and leg cramps are not "superficial thigh leg pain" for which capsaicin is touted. >>> I am not an expert, but was surprised that Virginia's husband found the cream helped. Capsaicin is the hot in hot peppers (chiles). It is the newest anti-person non-lethal weapon spray used by police. The water washing of it will be difficult without much soap and scrubbing. It can be transferred to the finger and will make your eye "smart" or your lips or whatever "burn". It certainly affects some sensory nerves. This may be why it "works" to help leg cramps. It stirs up the neurotransmitters something fierce if you breath or swallow finely ground chiles seeds. I hope not to have to find out if the spray is lethal to me - I believe I am allergic to all solanacea plants - especially chiles and tomatoes. ron 1936, dz PD 1984 Ronald F. Vetter <[log in to unmask]> http://www1.ridgecrest.ca.us/~rfvetter/