Since the 27th of March, when the Utoronto changed machines that the Listserv ran on some changes have been noticed. While mailing to, and receiving mail from the list has basically remained unchanged, some traumatic changes have occurred also. Specifically, the index option for receiving a list of messages at the end of the day, with an opportunity to order the ones you want to receive, is no longer supported. This was an option that those receiving 'to much mail' could use to pick and choose the topic of the day, of their choosing. This option was also useful for those in countries that charge by the minute online. The author of the Listserv program has indicated that the index option will return in future versions of the program....in the future. The database functions that we used the 'tools' for, are not present in the flavors of Listserv that run on the various 'boxes', hosts institutions are converting to. The newer, faster, cheaper machines use different operating systems than the main frame and minis that Listserv was originally written for. The old machines were on a common world-wide network called Bitnet. This network will cease to exist after the end of this year. The Bitnet world is changing to the internet style of addressing and traffic handling. The old Listserv program expected the machine that was running Listserv to be connected to the Bitnet network and sent all of the outgoing mail to a 'gateway' which was a Bitnet machine that was connected to not only Bitnet but the internet. Internet mail then was sent directly to the recipient over common carriers, from this 'gateway'. The new machines are connected directly to the internet. WHAT WERE THE DATABASE FUNCTIONS THAT ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE? Previously every message sent to Parkinsn was indexed with a number and put in the archives. Every message during a particular week was archived in log file. The log files dated from the first message sent to the list to the last. Each one of these log files was like a file cabinet. HOW MANY MESSAGES DO THESE LOG FILES CONTAIN? Month Messages/Month AVG Message/Day Feb 95 299 10 Mar 95 432 14 Apr 95 379 13 May 95 486 16 Jun 95 459 15 Jul 95 592 20 Aug 95 789 26 Sep 95 776 26 Oct 95 630 21 Nov 95 778 26 Dec 95 652 22 Jan 96 727 24 The first six months in 1995 = 15 The last six months in 1995 = 25 The length of these messages vary from 2 or 3 lines to 600 to 700 lines. Studies and articles in the archives average about the latter. Under the old Listserv program any thing and everything could be searched using the 'tools'. Under the 'New' Listserv, you can only order individual logfiles using the GET command sent to the listserv. Any searching will have to be done once that file is on your machine. Special software will be needed to index the words for specific searches. Ordering logfiles will require longer times to download your mail which the logfiles are sent as. The reference works and studies in the archives will be on the most part inaccessable to the bulk of the Parkinsn list subscribers. The gopher files which some searched online are not being maintained. The machine on which these logfiles reside is due for retirement. Catching up on messages received while you had your subscription set to nomail will be more difficult now. In order to see those messages you will have to GET the applicable logfiles for that period. In short, things evolve. In terms of the heritage of the Parkinsn list, our archives have been made inaccessable to many and more difficult to find the proverbial 'needle in the haystack' for those who used to access them regularly. The archives were accessed about 30 times a day by those who made use of this resource. Statistically, only about 1% of the Parkinsn list members made use of the archives and another 2 or 3% who ordered the studies and articles of the "Current Topics...." message monthly. The author of Listserv and his successor company, didn't consider the impact of eliminating the database functions from Listserv ported to other machines would have on the research community. Institutions license the software and therefore are the 'end user' rather than us, the 'real' end users. We had no voice, nor a seat at the negotiating table. The author was real defensive when it was announced by the researchers that 'the Emperor wore no clothes'.<grin> HOW WILL I GET BY WITHOUT THE ARCHIVES? Read your mail, save what interests you. Once you have deleted it....it will be gone. Other avenues are being sought out. John Cottingham "The parkinsn list brings Knowledge, Comfort, Hope, and Homeboy Friendship to the parkinsonian world." LibraryH Parkinson's Chat on the Undernet 8:30 PM CST -6 Daily. If you access the Internet through a provider with a [log in to unmask] PPP/SLIP account, free IRC chat software is available. WFD