In a recent post, Henry suggests that Doug Brent presents an either/or proposition, asking about generic writing courses or WID: "I have to decide which view to put my shoulder behind." Henry asks, "Why not both?" and goes on to site Bazerman, who writes that "[t]he attempt to reestablish rhetoric as the queen of the sciences may perhaps be an exciting temptation for those of us who have lived at the fringes of the academy, but they do little to advance our cause. What will advance rhetoric and hold back the threat of unwarrantedly hegemonic discourse is not polemic but detailed knowledge which people can incorporate into their daily literate interactions. We will be valued as we provide value." What interests me about Doug's initial post, and about the debate generally, is how easily the contemporary academic discipline of rhetoric becomes treated as merely a marginal player. Doug states at the outset, for example, that "traditionally (since the Sophists) it has been assumed that there is a 'general' art of rhetoric that belongs to no particular discipline and can be taught as such." The alternative "school" of thought, the one associated with WID programs, similarly characterizes the study of rhetoric as primarily a threshold discipline, one that provides convenient entry into a cohort of master disciplines. I'm left troubled by the implied assumption that rhetoric and composition courses do not provide their _own_ contexts. The argument that "to be in a 'context,' a language learning environment has to be in the context of a developed discourse on something," should not be proffered as a rationale for subordinating the study of rhetoric and composition _as a legitimate discipline of study_? Surely we can design courses and programs of study that involve both rhetorical theory _and_ practical discourse analysis of other disciplines? Yours rhetorically, Will ___________ +-----------------------------| _._._ ._ |-------------------------------+ | W.F. Garrett-Petts | ._ ___________ English & Mod. Languages | | [log in to unmask] |._ | + = o | 900 College Drive | | fax 604/828-5086 __________________ | UCC, Box 3010 | | voice 604/828-5248 | | : Kamloops, B.C. V2C 5N3 +------------------------| /\ o | |--------------------------+ | / \ / | | /\ | / \/ |-- \ / \ |/ | \ / \/------------------