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Well Doug, went home last night after my posting and came across an excellent article which addressed some of the issues you raised (and btw supported my point that we should have both approaches to offer our clients/students--and double btw why aren't we asking them what they prefer?): "Another Look at WAC and the Writing Center" by Judy Gill in Spring 1996 issue of "The Writing Center Journal" (16, 2) pp. 164-178. So there's a reference for you. Mieke p.s. I so wish I had been able to attend the last Inkshed, as the matter of writing competence tests is something we have struggled with and have made some, I think, interesting changes to. See you. m. Mieke Koppen Tucker Bishop's University Director, Writing Centre Lennoxville, Que. Writing Proficiency Programme Canada J1M 1Z7 819-822-9600, ext.400 Fax: 819-822-9661 home: 819-823-7273 [log in to unmask]