First let me say that I have no answers to the many excellent questions that Aviva proposes. But, I am in the position of teaching generic writing courses -- and as I like University teaching, and as my family likes to eat, I try to imagine that what I'm doing is useful . . . My goals for my students are pretty modest, I think. I really have only three. First, I want people to have some experience writing a text that is a move in a conversation; that is, I want them to get responses to what they write, and to learn to shape what they write in anticipation of their readers' response. (Along the way, it would be nice if they learned to value -- and I try to give them opportunities to learn to value -- things like grammatical correctness, accurate text attribution, spelling, style, etc., etc. I'd be lying if I said I was always successful.) Second, I want people to learn to find and then to read scholarly texts of their own choosing. Again, I hope that they move past declaring everything "boring" to some understanding of what sorts of arguments and evidence the university (inasmuch as it's a monolith, and distinct from other pseudomonoliths such as "the media") values, as opposed to what the editors of the _National Enquirer_ or _People_ magazine value. Finally, I want people to become reflective learners. I build in a self-reflection component that I hope encourages people to think of learning as development over time, and to become aware of those moments when they _are_ learning (as opposed to those moments when they get As on tests). Ideally, I'd like people to be able to reflect on experiences, whether they were successful or not, and to devise strategies for dealing with similar experiences later. You can see my & my students' latest efforts at all this at one of the following web pages, btw (I can't resist a commercial; sorry): http://www.umd.umich.edu/~marcyb/105s96 http://www.umd.umich.edu/~marcyb/o105s96 As for what transfers from this context to another, I'm not sure. I'd like to think that all of my goals involve helping students to develop transferable skills: writing for actual people will, I hope, better equip students to write for that irascible professor down the road; I think that it's true that the discourse of the university is sufficiently different from popular discourse that generalizations can be made; and I cling persistently to the belief that reflective learners learn better. But again, I have no empirical evidence for any of this. On my more cynical days, I think that the best part of our mandatory freshman writing class is that it allows people to be in the only small class they otherwise encounter during their first year at the university. Marcy Marcy Bauman Writing Program University of Michigan-Dearborn 4901 Evergreen Rd. Dearborn, MI 48128 email: [log in to unmask]