The context for the "marketization" issue is the Sunday-morning presentation given by Kenna Manos and Susan Drain. I don't remember the title of the session, but their presention took the form of a dialogue between a cranky, skeptical, thoughtful faculty member and an ambivalent, well-intentioned, thoughtful administrator (I'll leave y'all to figure out who was who) about the language used to "sell" universities and their programs to legislators in order to get funding. The dialogue was peppered with actual quotes from Nova Scotia documents, which took the whole thing from abstract to terrifying, in my view. One of the central issues Kenna and Susan addressed was: If we adopt the language of business and the marketplace to peddle our wares, as it were, then at what point does the language begin driving what we do? If we describe ourselves in "their" terms, what do we risk losing? (There were other issues, to be sure, and I trust other people will fill them in. I also heard a scurrilous rumo(u)r that the text of this presentation will soon be available on the Inkshed web site . . . [pause as Marcy looks hopefully toward the east].) At any rate -- On Fri, 17 May 1996, Brenton Faber wrote: > As Roger seems to suggest (if I can put keystrokes in his > computer) the issue is not so much "whether or not scholars > participate in the market" it is "*how* will we negotitate > the demands of the market within our scholarship." For example, > G. Ulmer (1985?) offers a detailed discussion of the ways in > which French philosophers (yes, Derrida et al.) created political > strategies for re-integrating philosophy into the French > school system -- working beyond the university and in > co-operation with legislative and political branches of > government. I'd like to hear more about this, Brenton, because I don't know the piece. Could you say more or give a full cite? > I think Roger is correct when he notes that universities need > to provide (and many do) services that the public will pay > for. Now, this doesn't mean that we blindly serve the whims > of the population any more than Microsoft sits back and waits > for people to "appreciate" Windows '95. Hunh. So if we follow Microsoft's example, we monopolize the market, deliver a substandard product, tell everybody it's wonderful (which they _have_ to believe because we've killed the competition) and sit back and watch the profits roll in?? I'm tempted to say that we've tried that, and it isn't working, in our cases . . . > We simply need to > be a little more rhetorically ambitious. . . . I think Roger was calling for more than rhetorical ambition, though. Roger, I thought, was advocating a different kind of responsiveness to the marketplace when he talked about DePaul's new programs. But creating programs that the public will pay for seems like a two-edged sword to me. One troubling aspect of that approach is that we're in danger of losing the concept that an education isn't something you buy; it's something you buy the privilege of pursuing. It's not a simple case of "you get what you pay for." And _that's_ the point at which I think we need to leverage our rhetorical savvy. Marcy Marcy Bauman Writing Program University of Michigan-Dearborn 4901 Evergreen Rd. Dearborn, MI 48128 email: [log in to unmask]