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In a message dated 96-09-18 08:32:11 EDT, you write: << Incidentally, I am sure everyone has noticed how conversations about the sufferer with such people tend to be conducted in the third-person. It's almost as though he/she wasn't really all there! >> Mark, I also find them speaking louder as though my husband were deaf! Naomi Meyer, CG for Dave age 68, 25 years. [log in to unmask]