When I re-read my message I realized that it really sounds facetious & I really don't mean it that way at all. I'm sorry I have not kept your email address so I might send this to you personally. Since you and Kees & my friend Hein all live in Holland and you don't refer to it as the Netherlands, then I feel we should include Holland in our count. IMOHO. Dear Marjorie I had first to look in my dictionary for the meaning of facetious, before I understood. I was not in the least offended. I don't like it when people make a point over such futilities. It is in a multicultural group not possible to foresee all the touchy points of everyone. The rensponsebility of the one who writes to hurt nobody is usually more stressed than the responsebility of the reader not to be hurt. Forgetting the latter can make things boring. The name of my country is for me not a touchy point at all. The reason I use to add it is that a reader knows I am writing a foreign language. I know this may result in my saying something very weird or funny. It may happen I say something else than I intend. If so, I would like to hear it, I promise I will not feel offended. Ida Kamphuis, Holland