Funny, I felt the same thing, brilliant letter to the G&M or not. > I am not sure I agree with Jamie's positions on poetry or common > culture, and I wonder if there's a debate to draw out of the issue. And maybe about something important. > For example, am I the only CASLLer who's thankful that students do > not have to memorize poetry? And does the idea of a common or > shared culture fill anyone else with dread? Which poetry? Whose > culture? No, you're not. I just had a seminar with some of the first year students in our Aquinas program. They're, well, just your average 19 year old first year student. I asked them to write about what their best experience in an English class had been, and what their worst had been. (No, none of them talked about having to memorize poetry or be beaten with a willow wand.) What I thought was interesting was that three of them said being forced to read Shakespeare was their worst, while two reported that their best experience was the chance to read Shakespeare. Two reported that their best moment was the chance to speak in public, and one (or two; I'm not sure what the focus of this particular horror story was) reported that that their worst was being forced to speak in public. What, um, lesson do I derive here? They're different people. They come from different cultures. They speak different languages (not quite as different, maybe, as the BEV described by Ebonics, but still). Some of them probably would have lunged at the chance to memorize some Leigh Hunt or James Whitcomb Riley like a salmon at a fly . . . but I think for many of them it would have been, well, like coming upstream to the Mactaqac power dam. I had a colleague, twenty years or more ago, who (I swear he said this) referred to first year English as "rubbing their noses in Spenser" (well, he may have mentioned some other poet; I don't now remember which one it was). 'Nuff said. -- Russ __|~_ Russell A. Hunt __|~_)_ __)_|~_ Department of English St. Thomas University )_ __)_|_)__ __) PHONE: (506) 4520644 Fredericton, New Brunswick | )____) | FAX: (506) 450-9615 E3B 5G3 CANADA ___|____|____|____/ [log in to unmask] \ / ~~~~~~~~ http://www.StThomasU.ca/hunt/hunt.htm ~~~~~~~~