Oh all right, since all the best people are 'coming out' and admitting to being Heinlein fans, I may as well own up: I am a lifetime SF reader, including Robert Heinlein. I was going to impress you with the number of his books on my bookshelves, but I could only find 2. Then I realised- my 2 sons have 'borrowed' them! You can't trust anyone these days can you. By the way, for an account which somehow has a resonance for me in my 'Off' periods, have you tried Harlan Ellison's "I Have no mouth, and I must scream" (Not for the faint-hearted ). How did we get onto this subject anyway ? Regards, -- Brian Collins <[log in to unmask]>