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Barb M--Golly--if the thumba re tied behind the back, can they still talk? Congratulations on the swift and happy procedure... Camilla Flintermann, CG for Peter, 78/7, Oxford,Ohio [log in to unmask] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Ask me about the CARE list for PD caregivers!" * * * * * * * * * * * * * *