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Don, all I can say is, you have a lot of friends out here, who look forward to all your email, if we can help you, say how! I do have a question, which if the answer is yes I'll send private email: can you tell me anything about working with mica (Formica) to re-cover cabinets, etc? Another question for you, and anyone on the list: The expression: "I have to see a man about a horse" Do you know where it started, and when? Don, back to you, I think you need to start another project, and you'll feel better! Why not build yourself a spa, or a hot tub, to put on the patio??? Well anyway, after you read this, you'll probably sleep a few hours! Ken B