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I don't know what all Ron said, I was on the road on off-line when he said it, but perhaps we ought to now lay off him. If the main objection was using the f word - jeesh. I've used that one more than once myself. And in some very polite company too. In my opinion, we have forgiven worse transgressions than that by List members without demands for apologies. A little scolding was warranted.