Please remove my nam At 12:00 AM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote: >There are 25 messages totalling 737 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > > 1. very very mad (2) > 2. thanks I.Y.Q. > 3. humour/humor/silliness/nutziness/goofiness/whimsicalness/waggis > 4. news/food/paradise/hurricanes > 5. my goof ups > 6. Goodbye England's Rose (2) > 7. Introduction from Eddie in South-Africa > 8. Split the List?/Response (3) > 9. humour/P.D. James > 10. Mary > 11. how to search archives (2) > 12. SPLITTING THE LIST > 13. (RESOURCE) Heath Insight > 14. Photos from Pan Forum > 15. music (2) > 16. Final Featuring oF Forum Fotos (2) > 17. Leaving the list > 18. No Subject > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:50:00 -0400 >From: KEn Becker <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: very very mad > >Marvin, you have the right outlook too! Tell us more about your vehicle, >maybe we can help, or at least avoid buying one like it! Ken B. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:02:03 -0400 >From: KEn Becker <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: thanks I.Y.Q. > >Don, I KNEW if we got you all fired up, you'd be running around again by >today, and so it was!! I had the same problem of doubled up messages, I had >to Unsubscribe one time, becasue I was subscribed twice under two different >servers, I don't know how I did THAT, but it sure is easier to delete HALF >the stuff, than double! Have you thought about another building project? >THAT keeps you going! Have a great day. Ken B > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:03:21 -0400 >From: KEn Becker <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: humour/humor/silliness/nutziness/goofiness/whimsicalness/waggis > >JAnet I don't know who P D James is, or was, but I know I LIKE HIM! I can >CHANGE THE WORLD! Ken B > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:12:08 -0400 >From: dorothy lee <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: very very mad > >Regarding your post, please keep on laughing >and sharing. I think humor is as important as >those darmned medications and a lot more >reliable. Dorothy, cg for Dick 74/l+ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:50:50 -0400 >From: janet paterson <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: news/food/paradise/hurricanes > >hi dorothy > >you wrote: >>First and of the utmost foremost, you are in >>my thoughts and prayers as I watched the >>weather channel. Paradise also has it's >>problems today and we are concerned. > >i think you may have my bermudian island paradise >mixed up with lisa crumrine's us virginian [?] island paradise >we are in the same latitude as north carolina [32] >and pretty much due north of the virgins > >so lisa's getting the worst of it so far >who knows where erika may 'wobble' next! > >per the latest advisory: >>AT 11 A.M. ATLANTIC TIME ... 1500Z ... THE CENTER OF HURRICANE >>ERIKA WAS NEAR LATITUDE 20.2 NORTH ... LONGITUDE 63.2 WEST OR ABOUT >>220 MILES ... 350 KILOMETERS ... NORTHEAST OF SAN JUAN PUERTO RICO. >> >>ERIKA IS NEARLY STATIONARY BUT A SLOW NORTHWESTWARD TO NORTHWARD >>MOTION IS EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS. HOWEVER THERE IS STILL >>THE POSSIBILITY OF A SOUTHWESTWARD WOBBLE ... WHICH COULD BRING >>STRONGER WINDS TO THE VIRGIN ISLANDS OR PUERTO RICO ... AND A >>HURRICANE WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT. > >>Thanks so much for the post. I am most >>interested. I'm a foody--probably have 600+ >>cookbooks. > >uh-oh >i'm a foody too >but only maybe 200 books and 13 years of gourmet! > >>Dick and i have been to Greece twice, >>hence the real interest in anything Mediterranean. > >uh oh >i have been to italy three times and am now addicted >they have better food at their motorway truck stops >than the average n.a. restaurant > >whut a family we are! > >love > >janet >[log in to unmask] > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:00:43 -0400 >From: donald mckinley <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: my goof ups > > vivian said tell every one goof up. it is going to cost me $150.00 to >fix my tracker. just had to do it my self. mom said 25yrs ago i could of >done it. i forget how to do some things now. but if i take a day week i >usely can do it. maybe not like pr but i i did did it. want to show that pd >i can do any thing iwant. may be. ha ha . i put weed wacker on golf cart. >works just like the one you see on tv. may not big stuff but i can do it. >so come around see it plus how ican lift 1lb to ton with one hand. so we >goof but we tried. i still have deprressin get sick at my belly. lig hurt >just like rest of you. i am going to beat this pd and i mean to win.so lets >all laugh and try to do some thingon our own. not allways call our cg. i am >on my band wagen so i wiill say riden old brass. (my brass head hose cane) > > [log in to unmask] >il.com > lima,ohio > > I.Y.Q.don >&vivian > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:26:14 -0400 >From: Arthur Hirsch <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Goodbye England's Rose > >Just in case you don't have a copy of this - or, like me, you couldn't make >out a word or two - I thought that some of our listmembers might appreciate >a copy of Elton John's song - as revised for this occasion. > >Art > > >1. > >Goodbye England's rose; >may you ever grow in our hearts. >You were the grace that placed itself >where lives were torn apart. > >You called out to our country, >and you whispered to those in pain. >Now you belong to heaven, >and the stars spell out your name. > >Refrain: > >And it seems to me you lived your life >like a candle in the wind: >never fading with the sunset >when the rain set in. > >And your footsteps will always fall here, >along England's greenest hills; >your candle's burned out long before >your legend ever will. > >2. > >Loveliness we've lost; >these empty days without your smile. >This torch we'll always carry >for our nation's golden child. > >And even though we try, >the truth brings us to tears; >all our words cannot express >the joy you brought us through the years. > >3. > >Goodbye England's rose; >may you ever grow in our hearts. >You were the grace that placed itself >where lives were torn apart. > >Goodbye England's rose, >from a country lost without your soul, >who'll miss the wings of your compassion >more than you'll ever know. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:35:21 -0400 >From: Eddie <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Introduction from Eddie in South-Africa > >Hi all > >My name is Edward B. van der Riet. I am a second year med student at >the University of Stellenbosch in South-Africa. I have no relatives >or close friends diagnosed with Parkinsonism, but I am very >interested in the disease itself. > >I am very interested in the neurological (physical) aspect of the >disease, but I am also concerned about the social implications it has >for the person in general. > >I hope that I will meet a lot of people, and I also hope that by this >mailing list, I will get to know the person behind the disease. > >Thank you. > >Love Eddie > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 14:44:01 -0400 >From: MR DANIEL T MAIROSE <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Split the List?/Response > >I think that it would be a good idea to split the list. My reaons >are many. I am a Parkinsonian. I've been on the Listserv for a while >and I have received quite a bit of info concerning Parkinson Disease. >The problem has been when there are times when I haven't been able to >check my mailbox. > >At one time I had over 1 ,ooo messages on my computer. If the list is >split I could Just check on the subjects that indicate Parkinson info. > > > >A little humor: If they discover that Mothers Milk causes cancer, >where will they print the warning? > >I am going through the screening procedure foer a pallodotomy. If >anyone who has been through this has any advice on this matter, >please let me know. > >Reply to DAN MAIROSE_lurv15a. Many Thanks > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:59:25 -0400 >From: janet paterson <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: humour/P.D. James > >hi ken > >you wrote: >>JAnet I don't know who P D James is, or was, >>but I know I LIKE HIM! I can CHANGE THE WORLD! > >P.D. James >a 'masterful' author of at least eleven detective crime novels >won several writing awards including an O.B.E. in 1983 >was born in Oxford in 1920 >as of 1989 [the most recent book i have] >james was described as living in london >having served as a magistrate >and is a governor of the bbc > >she is also a widow with two children and five grandchildren > >gotcha! > >your sib-sis > >janet > >[log in to unmask] > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:39:25 -0400 >From: Brian L Carlson <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Mary > >Mary >I was just answering your e-mail when the power went out, and I lost your >e-mail and address. >I seen the neurologist on Thursday. He's starting me on >Amantadine(Symmetrel) in addition to the Selegiline(Eldepryl) and >Carbidopa/Levodpa. They did not find anything on my MRI, which is good, >but it also helps confirm PD. >Brian >P.S. Are any others on the list taking Amantadine(Symmetrel)? > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:54:31 -0400 >From: Helen Griffiths <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: how to search archives > >Is it possible to search the archives? Do I need to get in touch with John >Cottingham about this? Just tried to email him but it was returned so I >guess I have old address. Any help would be much appreciated! >-- > >Helen > >[log in to unmask] > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:32:20 -0400 >From: Simon Coles <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: SPLITTING THE LIST > >Hi, > >I said a lot about this last time it came up, and more or less got shouted >down then, but I'll just add my 2p worth quickly.... > >>I vote NO! The list is a very important outlet for some who do not have >>many avenues >>to communicate their feelings as well as an information gathering source >>for others. >>Carol Gray >>[log in to unmask] > > >Splitting the list will not in any way reduce the amount of information, >disenfranchise anyone, or do anything negative at all. > >If we split into maybe 3 subject oriented specialist lists, you can still >join all three and continue to enjoy the same material as always - its just >that people who can't deal with the current PARKINSN volume or varied >subject matter will get a choice. > > > >Simon > >--------- My opinions are my own, NIP's opinions are theirs ---------- >Simon J. Coles Email: [log in to unmask] >New Information Paradigms Work Phone: +44 1344 778783 >http://www.nipltd.com/ Work Fax: +44 1344 772510 >=============== Life is too precious to take seriously =============== > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:38:24 -0400 >From: Simon Coles <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Split the List?/Response > >Barb said: >>I LIKE the original, current format of the List. It permits us as writers and >>readers to take a number of options...directions... while online - either one >>direction at a time or simultaneously with any of those directions easily >>controlled by the individual's DELETE key when reading. > >You can still do this with more than one list. > >>The PD List-owner, Barbara Patterson, had many choices of format and direction >>she could make at the time she set up this List. In addition, it's membership >>has also contributed to the direction the List goes from day-to-day, >>week-to-week. Barb Patterson AND the majority of the List members have opted >>over the past 3+ years to pretty much stick with the original format while >>taking into account the vast and varied backgrounds and interests of the >>groups as a whole. > >When discussion forums start they naturally start off broad and then split >into specialised subsections. The original list charter is still very valid >- but the number of people who want to enjoy our discussions is becoming so >large as to become a problem. Apart from small tweaks like asking people to >use more reasonable subject lines, in the end the only way to deal with >increasingly overwhelming volume is to create specialised subject-oriented >lists. > > > >[snip] >>Often these "side-trips" present subjects which are marginally related to PD >>if at all, but none-the-less seem to interest a wide number of our membership. >> Have no interest in 'em? Click on that delete key. Not interested in >>reading the occasional joke? Click on the delete key. And those periodic, >>unpredictable, spontaneously generated flights of fancy? Right.. there's that >>ol delete key. > >That assumes people: > - have a powerful enough machine & cheap enough Internet connection > that downloading twice enough messages than you have to is OK. > - are happy dealing with quite large quantities of text. Some people > find this very intimidating. > > >>It seems to me that it's more reasonable, more democratic, and just plain >>NICER to permit individuals to post what's on their minds, while recalling the >>main thrust of the List. This offers us freedom of choice by permitting us to >>pick and chose amongst the subjects and the posters we care to read or delete. > >Maybe it would be nicer to structure ourselves in such a way as to allow >people a choice? > > >>Sooooo... I think rather than splitting the list, we should continue the List >>as it is, keeping in mind that it's a courtesy to others in our Cyber-family >>to keep updating the subject-line when we have a "subject drift." >> >>I also think that patience and compassion is called for - no matter how >>important an individual we believe we are, and/or how limited our online time >>is for whatever reason. > >This is a problem we keep hitting when we discuss what to do about the >rising traffic of this list - people genuinely feel that splitting the list >will break up "the family" we have created. > >I would suggest that will not happen - it will make the family stronger, >and allow more people to join in. Do not forget that the people who >disagree with the current structure of PD mailing lists aren't part of this >conversation - they've already left this list, disenfranchised by our >unwillingness to confront a very difficult issue. > >Most of the larger PD organisations have specialist groups. Most of them >have newsletters, which themselves are split into sections - and people >choose which ones they recieve, and which ones they read. > >Similarly, there are four PD-related lists around: > - PARKINSN (this one) > - CARE > - PARKLISTE > - PDUK > >The existance of four lists doesn't do us any harm. Splitting stuff up into >manageable chunks is natural. Why not also PDLIFE and PDDRUGS? > > > > >Simon > >--------- My opinions are my own, NIP's opinions are theirs ---------- >Simon J. Coles Email: [log in to unmask] >New Information Paradigms Work Phone: +44 1344 778783 >http://www.nipltd.com/ Work Fax: +44 1344 772510 >=============== Life is too precious to take seriously =============== > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:29:18 -0400 >From: John Walker <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: (RESOURCE) Heath Insight > >Heath Insight >X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified) >X-PH: [log in to unmask] >X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.0 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > >http://www.ama-assn.org/insight/ > >American Medical Association's Health Insight page provides information on, >such things, as: > >Physician Select - provides information on virtually every licensed >physician in the United States and its possessions, including more than >650,000 doctors of medicine (MD) and doctors of osteopathy or osteopathic >medicine (DO). > >HIV/AIDS, Asthma, Migraine, Physicians, Hosptials, Medical News, Kids >Health, and much much more. > >Following quoted from site. > >Philosophies of the site: > >1.The site will provide scientifically accurate and reliable information >through the use of expert medical review of all medical content. > >2.The site will provide content in a logical and easily accessible manner. > >3.The site will provide information that is easy to understand. > >4.The site will provide links to scientifically and approved sites outside >the AMA's web site. > >5.The site will coordinate information on the consumer site with the >information posted on the scientific sites under AMA Scientific Publications. > >6.The site will promote the use of interactive methods of educating the >public. > >Michael Schelling >http://www.radix.net/~mschelling/health.html > > > > > > >_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >_/ _/ >_/ John S. Walker _/ >_/ Publisher, CSS Internet News (tm) _/ >_/ (Internet Training and Research) _/ >_/ PO Box 57247, Jackson Stn., _/ >_/ Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, L8P 4X1 _/ >_/ Email [log in to unmask] _/ >_/ _/ >_/ "To Teach is to touch a life forever" _/ >_/ On the Web one touch can reach so far! _/ >_/ _/ >_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:48:58 -0400 >From: Simon Coles <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: how to search archives > >>Is it possible to search the archives? Do I need to get in touch with John >>Cottingham about this? Just tried to email him but it was returned so I >>guess I have old address. Any help would be much appreciated! > >I have a web-based archive on my site at http://james.parkinsons.org.uk/, I >think the direct URL is http://james.parkinsons.org.uk/search.htm - but its >pointed to off the front page. > >At the moment there's a few missing weeks, and a few months are imported >twice, both of which I hope to get fixed next weekend :-) > > >Simon > >--------- My opinions are my own, NIP's opinions are theirs ---------- >Simon J. Coles Email: [log in to unmask] >New Information Paradigms Work Phone: +44 1344 778783 >http://www.nipltd.com/ Work Fax: +44 1344 772510 >=============== Life is too precious to take seriously =============== > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:02:17 -0400 >From: Terrie Whitling <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Photos from Pan Forum > >Hey Art - I would love to download forum pictures.. I have been out of town >for the past 10 days and am just now catching up on my email. Thanks for all >you do! > Terrie > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:00:24 -0400 >From: donald mckinley <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: music > > did you here tonights news on music to help pwp to walk? hope so i told >lot how i could dance. music music slow. try it. let me know if anyone >else it helped to walk? > > I.Y.Q. >don&vivian > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:06:42 -0400 >From: Arthur Hirsch <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Final Featuring oF Forum Fotos > >Last call >---- ---- > >Substantially a repeat of previous post for those who might have missed it. > The tenth of September is nearly upon us. > >For those of you who attended the Public Policy Forum presented by PAN >(Parkinson's Action Network) in July, I have tried to contact each of you >by e-mail specifically to let you know how you may download the candid >photos which I took there. I did not have e-mail addresses for everyone, >so perhaps if you were there, didn't get an e-mail from me on the topic, >and wanted to get a copy of the pictures, you could advise me of your >e-mail address so that I can send instructions. > >The pictures include some of the people on our list and other important >people not on the list. > >For those of you who did not attend - I can send you the instructions for >downloading also - just e-mail me and ask for them soon. > >And for those of you who cannot download, I can still send the pictures on >disk. Yes, there will have to be a small charge to cover the expenses of >the disks and the stamps. BUT DOWNLOADING IS FREE. And it will continue >to be free only until 10 September. > >Please get your request for instructions to me no later than noon Central >Time (1800 GMT) on 9 September. > >Any questions? > >Art >972-436-4772 > >Arthur Hirsch [] [log in to unmask] [] Lewisville, TX > ____________________________________________ > > Always Remember This: > Happiness Is Right, So Choose Happiness > ____________________________________________ > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:40:46 -0400 >From: Trish Scarmuzzi <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Leaving the list > > First of all, the good news. Dad had the collagen injection in his voacl >cords last Friday (Sept. 5). Even though he still sounds a bit "froggy" his >voice is loud and strong! (Doing cartwheels here! LOL) Barb M. thanks again >for posting and all the info. Sid, thanks for passing that posting along to >Dad! We're all grateful to you both. > Now for the (possibly) bad news. I'm going to be leaving the list :( . >Hopefully only until tomorrow sometime :). This computer has to go back to my >classroom, and tomorrow's the day. I won't know until tomorrow if I can get >back on this list, without putting our whole school on it. Anyway, I'll check >my mailbox once more tonight (around 11 PM Eastern), just to make sure I >don't miss anything, then take myself off the list. It's been really fun >getting to know everyone and Dad and I have learned a lot from all of you! >See ya later! Trish > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:56:43 -0400 >From: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: Final Featuring oF Forum Fotos > >Hi Art- >Thanks again for all the photos you sent me. Please don't forget to send me >your snail so I can send yolu a check for the cost of some of your film. > Your efforts to bring the forum around to those who could not be there is >wonderful. >thanks for all you are doing, >Barbara > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:58:20 -0400 >From: Elizabeth Southwood <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: music > >Hi Don: I wrote this recently and after reading your message, I know why. I >hope it helps answer your question about music!! Liz >CHANGING THE BED WITH DEBUSSY >BY LIZ SOUTHWOOD >I do not know >how a day will go, >why meds help >more or less. >My voice >is like a mist, >unheard. >When swallowing, >I choke. >I recollect croissants, >warm, crunchy, >slipping down my throat >as easily as hymns flew out >in church. >This morning >a rain-rinsed breeze puffs through >our open bedroom windows. >Birds welcome back the sun >with chirps and fluttering. >Can I help change the bed today? >Pull the cover off the duvet? >Will my hands cooperate? >Or do I have to wait >for you to separate >the linens, >my hands helpless >as empty mittens? >Sunlight gleams >on dripping, silvered >eucalyptus leaves. >I catch a whiff >of scent medicinal. >The wind from the sea >is nudging white-cotton clouds >towards the east >through starch-blue sky. >If we walk, >will I walk >awkwardly, >lose my balance, >scrape a knee? >Shall we play music for me? >Supposedly, it will >prompt me to move smoothly >though I don't know why >it would. >Maybe I can do >the bed too if I am accompanied >musically by you, >or I play Debussy. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:00:33 -0400 >From: Trish Scarmuzzi <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: No Subject > > In case this posts twice, I got this back from the list. I'm not sure what >happened, as I have only sent it once. It was returned, saying that it was >already posted to the list. > First of all, the good news. Dad had the collagen injection in his voacl >cords last Friday (Sept. 5). Even though he still sounds a bit "froggy" his >voice is loud and strong! (Doing cartwheels here! LOL) Barb M. thanks again >for posting and all the info. Sid, thanks for passing that posting along to >Dad! We're all grateful to you both. > Now for the (possibly) bad news. I'm going to be leaving the list :( . >Hopefully only until tomorrow sometime :). This computer has to go back to my >classroom, and tomorrow's the day. I won't know until tomorrow if I can get >back on this list, without putting our whole school on it. Anyway, I'll check >my mailbox once more tonight (around 11 PM Eastern), just to make sure I >don't miss anything, then take myself off the list. It's been really fun >getting to know everyone and Dad and I have learned a lot from all of you! >See ya later! Trish > >>> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:29:11 -0400 >From: KEn Becker <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Goodbye England's Rose > >Arthur, thanks, it is a beautiful song, I appreciate the words and the >melody. It reminds me a bit of "Tears in Heaven" by Eric Clapton, not that >the songs are similar, but the fact that they are beautiful songs written as >a byproduct of a tragic early death. Showing that something good can come >from even a horrible tradgedy, when good people make an effort to compensate. > I think most of us would like to think that after we leave this life, the >folks we leave behind will do good things in our memory. Ken B > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:39:05 -0400 >From: KEn Becker <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: Split the List?/Response > >Dan, I know where they'll print the warning: The newspaper! (You should try >to keep ABREAST of things!) uh oh..here come the PUN POLICE, I'm outta here! >Ken B > >------------------------------ > >End of PARKINSN Digest - 7 Sep 1997 >*********************************** > >