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Gosh, Bob, I hate to tell you this, but "ladies" is also out of fashion in some circles--how about just plain "women"? I'll settle for that! Have fun in Canada--- Camilla Flintermann, CG for Peter, 79/8, Oxford,Ohio [log in to unmask] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Ask me about the CARE list for PD caregivers!" * * * * * * * * * * * * * *