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With all due respect this list is NOT appropriate to LARGE binary attachments. I sat and watched 240000+ bytes arrive yesterday and another 180000+ arrive today, and I have 28.8 modem and a fair amount of hard disk, other members may not be so fortunate. I know the intentions are good; alas the technology doesn't yet make such good intentions a "good idea". BTW As a general rule TIF = Can be HUGE GIF = Can be merely VERY LARGE JPG = can be smallest, but only if you know how.. John Stafford -- http:/www2.netcom.com/~johnws/index.htm -- [log in to unmask] ................... Si fallatis officium, quaestor infinitius eat se quicquam scire de factis vestris.