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Confessions time. Bob has had no accidents resulting in head trauma, but (and Bob may not like me telling you all this), when he was a kid he was cupped around the ear by his Dad as a way of "discipling" him I guess. I often wonder how many brain cells were dislodged in the process. I am sure he was not the only Dad to do this. And while we are in confessional mode, and this had nothing to do with PD - My mom used to spank me on the bare bum - which was worse--the effect on my pride or Bob's brain cells? We know about the effects of shaking babies on the developing brain .... Joy Graham (CG Bob 57, 7+)