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John, You wrote, > > Dennis, in many (if not most) cases, the knowledge that one has clinical > depression (CD) comes well before the diagnoses of of PD. CD is often used > as a marker for the onset of PD even though the diagnoses of PD is years > later. > Peace, John I don't doubt it John, but your statement is a classic example of what I termed blanket statements. It carries the implication that CD is a sine qua non of PD, wereas, as Janet has remarked elsewhere, most studies suggest that it is present in 40 - 50% of cases. This of course means that it is NOT present in 50 - 60% of cases. By any criteria those figures can not be construed as CD being present " in many (if not most) cases". Many yes, most no. This is not splitting hairs. If it is assumed that most PWP have CD then any manifestation of sadness in a PWP is assumed to be a symptom of CD and treatment commences for a condition they may well not have. Worse yet the correct response, a positive attitude to life, is not even tried. I do not deny the existance of CD. I do not deny that it affects up to half of us. But lets keep in mind that at last half of us, and possibly as many as 60% of us (most in anybodies language) can "lift ourselves by the bootstraps" if we need to and choose to. Dennis. ************************************************* Dennis Greene 48/10 [log in to unmask] http://members.networx.net.au/~dennisg/ **************************************************