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Don, I am a fixer/inventer/improver too, I know how you feel! Everyone wants you to fix EVERYTHING, even if it's not worth 50 cents, but if you try to make it better, they want it like it was before! Do what I do, tell everyone what they want to hear, then when they go away, be like Frank Sinatra, and do it "MY WAY" Which is funny, because someone else wrote the song for him! I wish I had the deal that Thomas Edison got where they gave him a laboratory, and just let him invent whatever he wanted. If it wasn't for Edison, we'd be using our computers by candlelight! LOL. GO fix the patio, put in the drain, etc, you don't want to look back in 20 years and be sorry you let them stop you from doing what you wanted! Just be CAREFUL!!! [log in to unmask]