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hi all as one who has lived almost half my adult working life in the middle of the atlantic ocean exposed to news and views both from the 'old world' and from the 'new world' i admit to a certain 'socialist' bent when it comes to healthcare reading of horror stories like barb's and judith's in the 'new world' in having to 'prove' their medical condition to bureaucrats makes my spine crawl i am grateful to ida kamphuis in the netherlands for sharing the details of life and work and pensions in her corner of the 'old world' another example of the internet miracle from my viewpoint it appears that the general attitude to provison of health and social services in the 'new world' is based on the concept of 'guilty until proven innocent' and in the 'old world' is based on the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty' ['guilty' being loosely translated as 'needing' some kind of 'consideration'] as one who is recently 'unemployed' [aka personally bankrupt due to a failed business venture] and who does not qualify for any 'state' disability or other pension i find these issues looming large right now 'my worth is not my work' 'my identity is not my profession' 'my value as a human is not measured in currency' janet janet paterson 51-10 / sinemet-selegiline-prozac almonte-ontario-canada / [log in to unmask]