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I don't know Scholes "Rise and Fall..." but I'm wondering if it raises similar points to those John Willinsky makes in "The Triumph of Lierature and the Fate of Literacy"? He traces the rise of 'English' as a discipline and a school subject, examining the assumptions in the influence of Arnold, Leavis, Rosenblatt and Frye, then asks: 'What about literacy?' Should I read Scholes if I have questions like this? Vernon Shetley does an interesting thing on the distinction which grew up in university English departments between the 'Lit' people and the 'Creative Writing' people. He uses Altieri's terms 'lyric' and . . . (Someone help me out. I'm at the office without my 'real' files.) . . . but, I'm beginning to see a difference which was felt at Inkshed XV, a similar opposition. There the terms were . . .? . . . and 'expressive'. Michelle Forrest Michelle Forrest Date sent: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:16:48 -0400 Send reply to: CASLL/Inkshed <[log in to unmask]> From: "Dr. Robert K. Irish" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Robert Scholes' "Rise and Fall of English" To: [log in to unmask] > I remember at the 4Cs Russ said he was half way through Robert Scholes > "Rise and Fall of English". I was at about the same stage myself so we > talked about it a little. I'm wondering, has anyone else read the > book? Does anyone have a reaction to it? I guess I'm particularly > wondering if folks like Henry or others have thoughts on how it might > translate to the Canadian context. Obviously the rise of "English > Literature" differs here from south of the border, but the trajectory > seems similar (i.e. a bee-line toward irrelevance, or what Scholes calls > "hypocriticism"). > > Anyway, it is the kind of book I feel like I need to "talk" about to get > my ideas straight, so if anyone wants to bite, I'll bite back--er--so to > speak. ;) > > Rob Irish M.E.M. Forrest, Ph.D. Assistant Professor School of Education 302 Emmerson Hall Acadia University Wolfville, N.S. B0P 1X0 <[log in to unmask]>