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Will, you could be right. He does have the raspy, low volume voice that is supposed to benefit from the collagen. And since it is practiced by so few doctors and the positive effect is so temporary, he just may not know about it, as Hans suggested - even with his association with Dr. Lieberman. The man got his head bashed, though. More than most. He didn't cut easily; I think that's where the pretty label came from. He was a great fighter and that was ultimately the cause of his downfall, I think. I enjoyed watching boxing back then, before Ali showed us what it can do to you. He was the greatest - he stood up to most of them and took all their bashes without falling down too often. He didn't bite the other guys' ears off to avoid the punches. And they just kept coming back and adding more. His head wasn't any stronger than anybody else's head - yours and mine included. You can't exercise your forehead, your temples, or your snout. You can't lift weights with your ears and build up head muscles to protect your brain, which floats around in there, from getting bashed. I hope someone can let him know about collagen so he can give it a try, though. Maybe as time passes his name, The Greatest, will be remembered for the other things he done besides boxing - perhaps even campaigning against it. -----Original Message----- From: Will A. Kuipers <[log in to unmask]> To: Multiple recipients of list PARKINSN <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 10:03 PM Subject: Re: Muhamad Ali/Collagen therapy/LSVT To: Bruce Anderson <[log in to unmask]> From: Will A. Kuipers <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Muhamad Ali/Collagen therapy/LSVT In response to your remark re: the supposed bashing of Muhamad Ali's head, I have to say, that as boxer's histories go, M.Ali's head sustained relatively little "bashing". Throughout his illustrious career his face and head were relatively unmarked, allowing him justly to brag that his face was "pretty". Compared to many other boxers of reknown he sustained relatively few injuries. To me, they do not explain at all the strong effect on his voice, for one. Will =