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Ken, Don't understand what's so disturbing. No one on this List that I've seen has ever questioned Ali's integrity or commitment - or his greatness. Hans from Holland asked if it were possible that he didn't know about 2 forms of voice treatment. That's all. A good question. He's an unusual case, a public figure and it's a topic that's different and one that might be at least as interesting to some of us than some of the back and forth mutual back slapping posts that are occasionally found hereabouts. Besides, whatever he has, perhaps he CAN benefit by these injections. Who knows, maybe he has vocal chord damage caused by trauma. Collagen has been used to treat that too. And if "he is on our side" someone with access to him might want to take it upon themselves to clue him in to return the favor. Someone did here once questioned whether he was an appropriate spokesman for us. The consensus, though not universal, was that he was, as I recall. Seemed to be a fair discussion. So what is so disturbing? Bruce Anderson (52, 3.5) Schooley's Mtn, NJ [log in to unmask]