Without any experience at all on _his_ side of the equation, can I chime in and agree with Rob on his diagnosis of the relationships between the usual English department and the usual writing centre? My experience is (a) in English departments and (b) talking with colleagues in CASLL, the Cs, and other locations. Toronto, in my experience, is far from unique (at least in their rejection of writing program transplants). _And_ even if an English department _did_ sign on to the centrality of the writing enterprise (as I understand the Simon Fraser Department does), there is a great deal to support this: > Part of the credibility I have with Engineering students is that I > am NOT from the English Department. Again, there are clearly exceptions, and from my time at the Centre at SFU last January, there's one in Burnaby . . . but in general everybody knows what English teaching is, and it's correcting grammar and enforcing shibboleths. Stepping out of that overcoded situation is extremely difficult. -- Russ __|~_ Russell A. Hunt __|~_)_ __)_|~_ Aquinas Chair St. Thomas University )_ __)_|_)__ __) PHONE: (506) 452-0424 Fredericton, New Brunswick | )____) | FAX: (506) 450-9615 E3B 5G3 CANADA ___|____|____|____/ [log in to unmask] \ / ~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.StThomasU.ca/hunt/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~