Judy: Good question. I remember sitting in a discussion, at CCCC96 I think, in which Janet Giltrow insisted that writing centres MUST be attached to English departments. My response was simple, and remains much the same, "not at U of T." Let me embellish that a little. Part of the credibility I have with Engineering students is that I am NOT from the English Department. The English department is responsible for a course known as "(D)Effective Technical Writing." I work in discipline specific writing, I don't obsess over their grammar and I can, often at least, converse on the technical subject matter about which they are writing. That is efficacious, I believe. More importantly--image--the Engineering faculty regard me as one of them. I regularly assist faculty in designing assignments with a consciousness of their pedagogical goals and how writing can contribute. (which is part of why I can be conversant when the students come to me). I run workshops with small groups of faculty and regularly am asked to help them train TAs in grading writing. The downside is personal. I am not in an English department. In fact, they are fairly hostile to the entire project of making Engineers literate (students feel this, hence the (D)) and seem to feel that this is my fault. Personally, I would love to be teaching a literature course each year alongside my work. (I have a PhD in Renaissance Drama). It would keep my brain working in a sphere that I love. This is not to say that I dislike what I'm doing, I am a teacher at heart and I like to work with students who are ready to improve; writing centres have that virtue. But, I'd also like to be working with my own students, in a Shakespeare course perhaps (he says wistfully), where I could monitor their development through an entire term or year. So, though I have security, satisfaction is uneasy. So, if I were designing a perfect Writing Centre scenario, I would start with the English department. First, I would want unanimous commitment from that department that the facility is a valuable part of the student learning exercise. If that miracle could be obtained, or at least enough of a majority that the belligerent few were cowed into silence until retirement, then I think that for the persons staffing such a facility, a liaison with the department would be good. Steven Youra, who directs the Engineering Writing Program at Cornell, has Adjunct status with English which would allow him to teach a course each year. He says he hasn't done so in the last seven or eight years because he is too busy, but he likes the fact that he has that possibility. Regardless where, the person needs a faculty rank. I know there are those on the list muscling along without this but I remain convinced leaving a centre to some poor TA or staff appointment is a recipe for disaster or exploitation, regardless of departmental affiliation, because, regardless of whether this is just, respect comes from rank. Mercifully, here at U of T, Margaret Procter has overseen employment contracts that have allowed living wages to those in writing centres. And real "colleague" status with those with whom we work. Hope this helps. It is good to get it off my chest every so often. Rob Irish ************************************************** Dr. Robert Irish Coordinator of Language Across the Curriculum Applied Science and Engineering University of Toronto http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/~writing/ **************************************************