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hi all i've been mulling about the recent discussion in re 'foreigners' i was struck by the fact that of all the different issues raised the one that jumped out at me was the idea expressed by a few: "let's not argue" my first re-action was denial 'who's arguing?' my second re-action was defensive "why not?" my third re-action was more thoughtful "are we/they arguing?" "is that the way it appears to others?" "if it is truly arguing, what is 'wrong' with arguing?" "is arguing a 'bad' thing or a 'good' thing?" "or is it something else?" in the concise oxford dictionary the verb to argue is defined as: 1. to exchange views or opinions, especially heatedly or contentiously 2. to indicate; maintain by reasoning 3. to reason 4. to treat by reasoning 5. to persuade i found the exchange, the sharing, of our ideas, views, opinions interesting and en-light-ening and feel that our list-family would be the poorer without it weird? i dunno, just mulling your cyber-sibling janet