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In a message dated 6/24/98 2:17:39 AM Central Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: << does this to her;particularly in the mornings on the way to the bathroom which she does very frequently. >> Perhaps a different direction would help here. Have you tried a bedside commode? Delaying things until her pills kick in might be appropriate for her. It helped my Mom Regards, WHH 54/18